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When I buy I chair I don't pay a share of my income to the furniture shop when I get rich. I would buy another chair at some point too, maybe fancier one (or the same). Because chairs are commodity. I do however pay taxes to the government based on my income because it keeps doing ongoing maintenance on everything.

Everyone wants to be paid forever for something they produced once is some kind of a mind virus. Make me a better chair and maybe I will buy it, but don't expect to become a trillion dollar company. It's deeply unfair to everyone who wants to be a trillion dollar company of course.

What is really funny to me -- the ones that do make it to collect the rent indefinitely also decrease their own taxes paid to the government AND also decrease the amount of contribution to society by making less and shittier stuff.

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A chair manufacturer should be free to offer a service whereby you pay a monthly percentage of your income for the use of a chair.

I don't think many chair-users would opt for it, but I see no reason to ban it. Some services already work this way, like accounting firms that specialise in doing self-employed people's taxes.

A model's weights can be pirated unlike a chair and that is the difference..?

What does that have to do with the business model?

> Everyone wants to be paid forever for something they produced once is some kind of a mind virus.

Then make a better chair yourself. Also, I don't see how chair2 needs r&d and incurs hardware costs.

You haven’t bought the chair, they’ve given it to you for free, but they expect you to pay if you use it in a hugely profitable endeavour.

That is very reasonable.

Analogy doesn't apply to this case, as you are paying for the chair upfront but not paying for the model weights upfront.

I'm also not downloading a chair, because why would it?

Exactly, so your analogy is useless.

The only reason my chair manufacturer would be entitled to the proceeds of my success whilst I was in their chair is if I hadn't already paid them for the work they put into making the chair for me. Even then, why would my success with their product have anything to do with how much they can charge me for their labour? What other things work like that outside of the modern tech world?

Seriously, look around you, pick a thing, imagine a world where the price you paid for that thing hinged on your personal individual success with that thing.

edit: to clarify, my point is why can't we pay for the model weights up front for offline models? Why would we continue paying for things we don't want/need anymore, like updates for offline software that does it's job fine?

If they charged for the weights up front, then your critique would simply reverse.

What, why?

FYI I stopped engaging with handfuloflight. I couldn't find a coherent argument or position through all the condescension and disagreement.

Yes, you couldn't find a coherent argument or position to rebut with.

Yup, because if you had one, this post would have been the ideal opportunity to put it forward, but you just make some sassy "no u" comment instead.

I made multiple points, you were unable to respond to them. Copy and paste what I said into your favorite AI chatbot to help you parse it on your level.

> look around you, pick a thing, imagine a world where the price you paid for that thing hinged on your personal individual success with that thing

YCombinator. Unreal Engine. CryEngine. FMOD. Steam, App stores in general. Qt.

+ 90% of enterprise software that charges per seat / user.

You could argue that most of these provide ongoing services, but that will also be the case if you license one of their models commercially, contracts come with strings attached both ways.

>The only reason my chair manufacturer would be entitled to the proceeds of my success whilst I was in their chair is if I hadn't already paid them for the work they put into making the chair for me

Unless you could lease a chair and limit your cost to some finite number (which is higher then upfront cost), because chairs are easy to get by. You could also buy very cheap chairs from China for example and rent them by the hour (or that's what I heard).

The actual reason to why is -- because they can make you do it.

>What other things work like that outside of the modern tech world?

taxes

> When I buy I chair

You should, sitting on that chair got you in the zone where you made it rich. /s

Right, right. Maybe correct posture gave me exact edge over the competition I would have missed otherwise.

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