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It will be interesting to see the race-wise results. On 2022, those show US Asians at number 1 for Reading and Science and 4 (behind Singapore, Macau, Taiwan) in Mathematics; with US White close behind; and then a steep drop off for other races until US Black at number 35, 43, 52. There’s a large gap in subpopulations which means change in population blend causes the total population to show change without an underlying intervention to the actual subjects.

But of course we will know that once the race tables are released.

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What's your source for the 2022 difference?

PISA itself doesn't publish data broken down by racial subgroup. Back in 2018, the NCES public download included a RACETHC variable (https://nces.ed.gov/pubs2021/data/2021019_rawdata.zip).

But the most recent file on the NCES PISA 'data products' page is from 2018: https://nces.ed.gov/surveys/pisa/publications.asp

(At the time of writing if you expand 'Data Products' the first file is 'Program for the International Student Assessment (PISA) 2018 Public Use File (PUF) NCES Number: 2021019 Release Date: July 8, 2021')

Rahim, you know this data better than me, but this purports to be it. Is it not real or is this somehow subtly different from what I would read it to be? It calls itself the reading results from PISA 2022 by race. You’d have to set a new dependent variable to get the other two. I don’t know how to get it to show all 3 at once.

https://nces.ed.gov/surveys/pisa/idepisa/report.aspx?Lang=10...

If you can’t load it for some reason (that’s a direct link to the report and it launches a query) see here: https://imgur.com/a/gOnTJQZ

Thanks, Roshan. I didn't know this interface existed.

I had thought the only way to access the data was via downloadable data files (no longer published) or the PDF reports.

I'm curious what the trend for whites in the US is over time. That would be a good first approximation on how much of this decline is due to culture or the educational system (including COVID disruptions) and how much is demographic change/immigration.

It would be interesting to see how US born black people's scores differ from black immigrants from Africa who tend to value education much more.

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