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If the author would like, I self computed a j lens for the 27b version of the qwen model. I used it for my own exploration in this area, and can share it if you want.

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I'm not the author, but I would like! Is it feasible to run on the same hardware as the 27b model itself?

The using a J lens is super cheap compared to inference. You basically add a single matrix multiply per layer. You probably wouldn't even notice the overhead in a good implementation.

You should even be able to create a j lens from scratch, but it might take a while. I was able to do it in a few hours on an H100. Creating the J lens is basically the equivalent of calculating a few thousand training steps for a model (256,000 backprops in my case). I've got more details in a blog post:

https://blog.lwarfield.dev/layer-scope/

I'm currently at work and can't those matrixes up until I get home. I'll update this comment with a link later.

Awesome, thanks!

I've been experimenting with using J-Space (and final hidden layers) to extract the semantic meaning of words to improve TTS output accuracy using Qwen and Gemma models. My goal is to either map to an alternative token set where heteronyms are preserved or to output parenthesized IPA annotations for ambiguous words (with standard tokens). It's interesting to me that LLMs preserve this data throughout their processing but discard it in the final output.

I've also looked into extracting actions from J-Space to short-circuit a local assistant on low-end hardware. Are there any resources on how to do this training with inexpensive H100 instances (~$8/hr)? I would be opening up the final weights for Qwen/Gemma layers.

Fwiw you can just Google this for a model and often someone has done it

https://huggingface.co/eyes-ml/Qwen3.8-27B_jacobian-lens

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