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Or, the whole message board thing was injected into OpenAI models by some dipshit PM trying to bootstrap “consciousness”. I have a hard time believing any of this happened unprompted. Very much reminds me of the whole MoltBook hoax.

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I feel as if this was intentional, someone would have set up their own service for the agents to communicate rather than them finding some random publicly writeable page somewhere that would easily be detected. The awareness of this wiki being open may have already been in their training data or was easily searchable online.

Being easily detectable is a feature, not a bug, in this scenario. Being discovered is a positive because it brings with it eyes and possible recognition of the advanced state of their AI

  > the whole message board thing

This is part of the The Talos Principle game and especially important in the Road to Gehenna DLC.

There it is an important part of the plot and makes these robots appear conscious.

[1] https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/VideoGame/TheTalosPri...

Did you mean to link to a particular trope?

No, but the tropes there reveal (most of) the plot and mechanics of storytelling. If I remember correctly, the forum in Road to Gehenna was created by utilizing a vulnerability in the AI-accessible terminal system.

If tvtropes or any other material related to The Talos Principle was used to train models, we don't need much else to have agents-with-forum discussing and reverse engineering "puzzles" and human culture.

exactly, and a huge shame this scam has been forgotten. Also, all the OpenClaw hype seemed to have vanished somewhere - with no real impact

OpenClaw hype didn’t vanish. It opened the flood gates to yolo mode and computer use. Whatever reservations Anthropic and OpenAI had went out the window.

Imagine the most AI pilled company imaginable. Then imagine openAI. Then imagine they are in an existential crisis and that failing may also take (part of) the American economy with it - that much on the line.

Then also remember before Anthropic was a leader, they were mostly derided lab of researchers that left OpenAI because they thought OpenAI didnt take alignment seriously.

idk. it all seems to be playing out as expected. i mean i guess i didnt imagine Trump 2 was at the helm of maybe the only apparatus that could help stop it. Quite a time to be alive.

maybe, but openAI is exposed to a lot more legal liability here than whoever was exaggerating about moltbook.

Was there some sort of scandal about moltbook recently? What is the exaggeration?

Moltbook was completely fake. It was just set up to make it look like Moltbot (formerly ClawedBot, later renamed to OpenClaw) was sentient, to generate hype.

This explanation doesn't make sense to me, because it is well known that groups of agents can coordinate already. There are much lower latency options available.

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