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I had a conversation with a large group of friends and we independently came to the conclusion that Openai/Claude does not deliver more than a open source model. It takes about the same and the quality is about the same, and this does not mean it is good

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I'm just glad the dweebs who were parroting "OMG, Distillation attacks!!1!" have been empirically proven wrong, and discussion around open-weight models are more rational now.

Distilled data or no, the Chinese labs are bringing a lot of solid original work in training and inference efficiency. Deepseek's work has probably made everyone's AI cheaper to run by this point.

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