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> How does the wolf comparison make this a racism thing?

Because wolves are being used as a dogwhistle/proxy for "migrants" by the far right.

Denmark has a problem with wolves crossing into Denmark. So the far right gives speeches about what a menace wolves are, they don't belong here, they don't deserve to be here, they're not FROM here" and so on - while doing a lot of theatrical smiling and winking, or just shifting right into talking about immigrants and migrants, "totally separately and unconnected, bro! I just wanted to talk about them both while i was here!"

You might want to not take anything David Hamburger Helper says at face value given he perpetuates far-right conspiracies / racist tropes like "Pakistani rape gangs."

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"So the far right gives speeches about what a menace wolves are, they don't belong here, they don't deserve to be here, they're not FROM here""

That doesn't sound like a far right position though, just advocating for less or even no migration (from outside EU I guess).

The "wolves" are, IIRC, "Romanian" gypsies - people that have lived for many generations within a number of European countries.

Romania is part of the EU, when DHH suggests they are wolves that need to be deported, where is he suggesting they be deported to?

  The history of their arrival in Romania, around 1370, is presented below.

~ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romani_people_in_Romania

Bear in mind the specific "gypsies" he had a bit of a rant about may well have been in 'his' country for a few generations already.

> That doesn't sound like a far right position though

And yet, they were on Hitler's list that included Jews, Gays, Disabled, Pinko's, etc.

This seems like a common misconception, but it actually isn't an indivisible human right to settle in another EU country if you don't have the means to support yourself [1]. If you have ever been engaged by them, it's obvious the sort of "gypsies" panhandling and pooping on Copenhagen or Helsinki streets clearly do not meet the criteria and are not citizens.

Left, right, north or south on the political compass, all parties are in agreement about this, and thousands of people are deported from Denmark every year without Alligator Alcatraz concentration camps or other platitudes about nazism.

[1] https://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/residence/residence-ri...

> the sort of "gypsies" panhandling and pooping on Copenhagen or Helsinki streets clearly do not meet the criteria and are not citizens.

I'm guessing by the quotes on "gypsies" that these are not the Roma that have been in and out of Finland and Denmark since the 16th century .. but apparently still being used as a slur after several hundred years?

~ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finnish_Roma

Ah, well, baby steps.

Finnish Roma live in the same houses, their children go to the same schools (including those I attended), they speak the same language and they poop in the same toilets as everyone else. They also have every right to a safe city center without foreigners causing a nuisance.

Regarding terminology, many call themself "mustalainen" (literally "blackie", basically same as "gypsy" I guess) themselves. Although it can be considered offensive in some context, it's not exactly the same as dropping the n-word.

"far right" has also become a dog whistle for right wings nowadays. So much that even JK Rowling got called "far right".

The woman got radicalized by her political audience. Given all her publicly espoused views as well as documented activism (including financial backing for almost any anti-trans activism), you're going to have to offer actual arguments why this classification is obviously wrong.

Honestly, I'm incredibly liberal but seeing everyone call this dude an actual Nazi because he doesn't like people that move to his country and poop on the streets is kind of helping me understand the conservative reaction to cancel culture.

People just WANT to be mad, and they want this guys poor choice of words to mean he's somehow advocating for ethnic cleansing or violence or something. He's just an average conservative with an anti-immigration stance. Not a monster.

I never really took the conservative whining about cancel culture seriously, but I'm starting to understand how being caught up in something like this could drive someone from middle right to far right.

No one's being driven to the far right. The left is just moving very far left and trying to paint everyone normal as far right to dehumanize them.

Current causes du jour for the left are defending a mother who killed her 3 children and an illegal immigrant who stabbed and killed a woman in broad daylight... Tell me in what world that's normal?

See, your comment is another example but from the other side, and it's exactly how people slide into the extremes. They interpret the same facts the other side sees, but in the worst way possible.

The lady that killed her kids went cuckoo, killed her kids and jumped out a window almost killing herself. Nobody is defending baby-murder, they're just saying 'Yeah, crazy people should get help BEFORE this junk happens.' The jurors agreed that she wasn't responsible for her actions at the time, and they weren't all left wing.

The other one... I think that you're talking about Carmen Lizet Puch? Literally no-one anywhere is defending that one. Maybe some weirdos on fringe internet forums, because there's always another nut out there willing to defend anything... Nobody in the mainstream from either side is defending it, but some right-wing folks are intentionally strawman'ing it as if someone were.

There's a lot of BS coming from both sides that could be avoided if the larger world followed the HN advice to always argue against the best version of the other persons argument, rather than to try and construct the weakest possible version and attack that.

> The jurors agreed that she wasn't responsible for her actions at the time, and they weren't all left wing.

You're literally inventing facts in your head. The jury was hung and a mistrial was just declared.

My bad. So change the sentence in your head to "The jurors could not agree that she was responsible for her actions at the time, and they weren't all left wing."

Nothing about my point changes. You're just looking for something about it to attack by trying to find the worst version of it again.

We're all (presumably) human, and we all make mistakes in phrasing, grammar, etc. Most of us don't have the time or motivation to craft every sentence into a finely honed razor of logical and grammatical accuracy, and shouldn't have to just to be understood.

DHH's statements were the same sort of thing. He could have said exactly the same thing with different words and nobody would have been angry, but he shouldn't have to.

People just WANT to find a reason to hate each other.

Not sure you meant to reply to me, since my comment was referring to JKR.

Nevertheless - I can empathize with your perspective if you believe he just said "he doesn't like people that move to his country and poop on the streets", because without knowing any previous history the reaction seems to escalate way too quickly. But there is a lot of context! And while you may disagree even after reading most of it, you can hopefully somewhat understand where people are coming from.

Even if you give DHH the benefit of the doubt by e.g. assuming he was unaware of his chosen metaphor's historical context regarding calls for deportations, he hasn't clarified or retracted or updated or whatever'ed anything. Given all his context over the years, I don't see how you can argue the issue to objectively be "he doesn't like people that move to his country and poop on the streets".

> perpetuates far-right conspiracies / racist tropes like "Pakistani rape gangs."

Hardly a conspiracy theory or a racist trope if it's true.

https://www.news18.com/world/pakistani-rape-gangs-operated-a...

Few, if any, deny that rape gang existed - the "racist" part is the people that bang on about Pakistani rape gangs never seem to mention Irish Catholic rape gangs, or Upper class Toff rape gangs, or ...

The "official report" that gets bandied about by Reform UK is a fairly selective cut down from some other actual report on child abuse in the UK that puts more perspective on the full scale of the issue.

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