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So the vagueposting by googlers about Ox Alpha was just... what exactly?

Like I get that they have to be careful about comms, but surely senior members of the team can clarify when something is NOT them, when everyone is gosspiing it is them.

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The lack of measurement causes existence of such claims or discussion. Last Friday I built this Model fingerprint calculator and I tested between OxAlpha with all other claimed models, the only match was GLM. It generates, or measures regardless of the model-weights or its training data. No need guessing when one can measure it. I tested with Gemini family too, far different. Here is the link to my experiment https://github.com/unclecode/modelprint

Trolling. GLM is heavily distilled from Gemini.

Source? GLM is great for coding and Gemini is barely useful in coding, to be generous.

I highly suspect that the Gemini Google uses internally is very different from what they offer in Antigravity.

I can't speak for GLM as I haven't tested it much, but my experience with running DeepSeek V4 locally is the first time I prompted it with "Explain your capabilities to me", it responded that it was Gemini, a multi-modal model. I've seen others see the same with DSv4, as well as the "hallucinated" multi-modal nature. I would not be surprised if GLM similarly was partially (heavily?) distilled off of Gemini.

A fun test would be to compare the logits for "gemini", "claude", etc for a continuation of "I am " on all these models. I'm sure that e.g. GLM, Qwen, DS are dominant, but I'd be curious to see the next highest contenders, and how they compare to each other.

Never ask the model what model it is. Every single model may answer wrong answer if you keep asking.

No, it's the same internally and externally.

Gemini 3.7 Flash is a pretty great model IMO. You shouldn't compare it to Opus, Sol, K3, etc since it's a much smaller model but it's a little better compared to Sonnet, Luna or Terra, etc.

Gemini 3.7 has been trash in my testing. So is its pricing.

https://typebulb.com/u/lab/you-re-relatively-right/full

Early glm models gave off that wibe. But now its more inspired by. With a bit of Claude in there. But I do think they actually do RL otherwise glm5.3 shouldn't have been able to beat fable on the few tests it did.

On Twitter they mentioned that it was unfortunate timing as the 3.7 flash release collided with ox alpha.

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