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I get all that.

Then alternatives are:

- Grok - where I absolutely have 0 trust in X.ai's interst in "pushing humanity forward".

- OpenAI and Anthropic - which seem to try to be building the biggest moat they can by pushing to ban open models. And at the same time want to be an Arbiter of what level of intelligence I can use.

- Google and Meta - I don't need to talk about the practices of these companies.

Yes, the terms of service aren't great. But the alternatives aren't great either. I don't believe that a future which OpenAI and Anthropic are pushing for has my best interest in mind.

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> I don't believe that a future which OpenAI and Anthropic are pushing for has my best interest in mind.

I don't believe in that either, but these totalitarian terms are absolutely unacceptable.

If only you could grab those models and host them literally anywhere else where you wouldn't be subject to those terms. Damn. Maybe we'll have to wait for someone to invent something like open download of model weights.

Care to buy me a $10,000-$100,000 computer?

No but a provider with more amicable terms can.

Or Deepseek, Qwen, any other open model hosted by whoever you trust most.

All the American companies you mentioned still follow American law and regulation. Skirting that blatantly has big consequences.

Chinese companies do not follow American laws and there are absolutely no consequences for violating it.

Moreover, the average American is not even aware of exactly what the legal/judicial environment is like in China. If your code and data is stolen, you can't fly to China and demand justice in the courts.

Aren’t those American companies sued because they didn’t follow American law?

OpenAI is being sued by Apple, yes

> All the American companies you mentioned still follow American law and regulation. Skirting that blatantly has big consequences. > Chinese companies do not follow American laws and there are absolutely no consequences for violating it.

... lmk when anthropic/openai/spacex/xai are held accountable for anything. Anything at all. Hard to be when you're _writing_ the rules.

Is copyright infringement an American Law?

> All the American companies you mentioned still follow American law and regulation. Skirting that blatantly has big consequences.

No, they don’t. This is an absurd statement to make in 2026.

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