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Show HN: GlassBox – what the browser reveals, and how identifiable you are

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This doesn’t seem right. 1 in 6.2 billion for Firefox on an iphone, not including ip/network uniqueness?

Seems more plausible that anti-fingerprinting is throwing it off?

Some of the data seems straight-up wrong.

I know this computer has more RAM than reported and it's definitely not on a 4G network either.

The APIs it's relying on to show you that information do implement some anti-fingerprinting mechanisms - things like available memory will be put into rough buckets rather than returning the exact amount you have.

It got facebook pixel wrong. I see zero DNS requests to facebook.com on NextDNS

That panel reconstructs what a pixel would send from your own browser values, locally, and never makes the request. NextDNS seeing nothing is the tool working exactly as designed.

what?

They're saying that the site simulates what would be sent to Facebook without actually sending the request to Facebook.

(I'm not sure if that's true, but I hope so)

Also 1 in 6.2 billion for Safari on an iPhone. Also the explanation on the bottom is very small and AI generated.

Also skeptical. Pixel 7 on Android 15 with patched Chrome incognito on T-Mobile CGNAT showing 1 in 11 billion.

The population on Earth is ~8.3 billion. I find it hard to believe it's that unique. Nothing in the data looked particularly interesting.

Maybe slightly plausible if you take into account the currently assigned IPv6 although that's largely time bound.

It's worth noting that you need both uniqueness and some form of stability. If you consistently show up as a diffent fingerprint every time you visit or for every different site, then that is a form of privacy as well.

Shocking, this site assigned me a UUID and I found it listed here! https://everyuuid.com/

I just downloaded a fresh install of LibreWolf to test this and it did indeed have a stable UUID for me at 1/62E6. Better than the 1/680E6 from regular Firefox, but still upsetting. Fonts and Audio fingerprinting seems to be where a lot of the entropy is coming from... Even after I enabled some of the flags to resist font enumeration it still is stable and high entropy. I'm not sure what to do to be honest about this, it is very discouraging.

Also see https://coveryourtracks.eff.org/

My understanding is that this tool only compares how identifiable you are compared to the other people who have previously visited the site.

“ Your browser fingerprint appears to be unique among the 311,902 tested in the past 45 days.” yet every cloudflare protected website blocks me, random human checks and also my bank and government is blocked. Mmmmm grain of salt?

I think you have it backwards - Cloudflare et al would want to allow the typical user and block the oddballs.

That said, it's a further misunderstanding with utilizing such tools in general. Unique is neither good nor bad on its own. The next question is "always the same unique because that's all you share or always unique because certain fingerprintable attributes are randomized over time/visits/sessions". I.e. it's a war between trying to fake an average enough fingerprint and trying to track someone through partial matches, not just a matter of "is the fingerprint unique".

uniqueness, on one way or another, does not imply you're a real person.

those systems probably don't even rely on fingerprinting for those decisions - you just can't deny someone acceess to a service because "they're unique", you're opening a can of worms.

entities that do deny access based on fingerprinting actually do it based on same fingerprints corresponding to a marked visitor (like checking behaviour and marking all subsequent visitors with that fp as bad) - but it's a headache.

what you describe usually has more to do with your IP (range, usage type, country), your useragent or added/modified headers (check any extensions that do this)

i had exactly this happen some years ago when i added a `'` in the UserAgent to test a site for SQL injection and forgot to remove it.

Could be bad IP rep. Cloudflare isn't about uniqueness, it's about a reputation score. Presumably some overlap but not necessarily identical.

I started getting those more often when I moved 2 years ago and switched from Charter cable to AT&T fiber. The same hardware was transported 2 miles away...

This is better than the OP in practically every conceivable way

Pretty sure someone else also promoted Claude to make something like this and posted it a few weeks back.

Recently discussed prompts:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48727059 [flagged] What any website can see about you

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48062178 A web page that shows you everything the browser told it without asking

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49182352 Show HN: Modern Browsers Don't Need the Cookie Anymore

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46517654 [flagged] Show HN: DevicePrint – device fingerprinting without cookies

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46037031 Show HN: Explore what the browser exposes about you

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45169286 Browser Fingerprint Detector

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49359153 A live browser fingerprinting and bot detection playground

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46674460 Show HN: Anti-Detect.com – Browser Fingerprint Scanner

There are definitely more! Could this be HN's favourite prompt?

Haha! Well done for putting in the effort to find those. I was sure I’d seen it more than once but didn’t want to overrreach!

The trick is that in most cases, someone links https://coveryourtracks.eff.org/

Cool tool, but the language is painfully characteristic of AI. Maybe we are collectively getting over caring about that, but if not, it's worth a pass of "make this sound a little less like AI."

E.g., the guide page ends with

> The honest bottom line. Perfect anonymity [...]

* You're absolutely right! ;-)

Not just the language. Its like all LLM front end design is working off one of three templates.

I was >60% sure it would be AI given the combination of calendar year and the wording "what the browser reveals" that I saw on the HN front page - and only when I clicked did I realise how wrong I was, because the actual probability is 100%.

(Not to suggest that browser fingerprinting isn't a useful issue to highlight.)

It's using all the Claude fonts, it's got the Claude pulsing indicators, it's got the Claude cards, and none of the writing is useful. This has gotta be up there with one of the most Claudey Claude sites I've ever seen

Edit: oh my, even the author's comments in this thread are written by Claude...

It's eye-bleedingly Claudeslopped.

Eye-bleeding Claudeslopped is this week’s best expression of AI frustration.

It's horrifying to see that our browsers give up anything at all. I feel like we need a new model where we just get served the content, and we don't serve up anything to the content provider. I feel ill.

How would you prevent that? If you want to use a feature, you need to know if that feature is available. So you add methods/functions to ensure that you can fail gracefully when something is not available. That availability is the fingerprint. I don't blame the browsers as much as asshats using the tool for malicious purposes. We're not going to ban hammers because someone uses them for things other than driving nails.

In the old days, we just sent the content and let the client figure out what to do with it. If you navigated to homestarrunner.com and you didn't have flash installed, you just got a message saying to install it, or worst case, a broken icon in a frame.

We figured it out just fine.

Right, but the client side did a query to see what was available and gracefully displayed a message. People are now sending the truthy response of the feature's availability back. You could be doing that as a legit bit of logging, or you could be doing that to be an asshat and deanonymize the user. The browser doesn't know the intent of being asked about a feature. And yes, it has been figured out just fine as a way for making someone money by selling information about you

need to license swe just like real engineers and make them have a responsibility to the public

And what about SWE from outside whatever jurisdiction that body issues those licenses? You cannot regulate your way out of tech problem if everyone is not subject to said regulations. Why people keep making comments like this is beyond me.

just like normal engineering. the work has to be signed by a professional licensed in the jurisdiction.

Another one is "draw text, read back pixels" which is simultaneously a really effective fingerprint, and also cuts to the core of what we want a web browser to do. We can't refuse to draw text.

So it tells me I’m unique and it can track me across different browsers. It also tells me that in a different browser with a different fingerprint. Even private browsing shows more unique fingerprints that are completely different. I don’t think this site is very useful except looking at fancy data.

The solution for me is not to be more common. The solution is to create a very unique profile each and every time.

There should be a browser that lies to websites instead of caving

If your ISP issues an IPv6 address, isn't that pretty much game over for anonymity/uniqueness?

A VPN or Tor swaps it out entirely, which your browser fingerprint survives. It is a strong identifier, not a permanent one.

Not usually, if you're comparing it to IPv4. Many ISPs give each customer a persistent IPv4 address that doesn't tend to change over time. Because most people use NAT (internal IP address != external IP address), a server you connect to can't identify the specific computer or device.

With IPv6, it's true that in many cases servers will see you as connecting from the specific IPv6 address of your computer/device. However, IPv6 addresses contain many parts, like:

  2001:db8:1234:5600 : abcd:1234:5678:9abc

where the left part is basically the equivalent of the unchanging IPv4 address you got from the ISP, and the right part identifies your specific device. But in most OSes the right part is randomly generated and changes on some cadence (e.g. daily).

So in many cases, the ability for a server to individually fingerprint your device solely based on the IP address is roughly equivalent between IPv4 and IPv6. (This isn't the case if the ISP does CGNAT on IPv4, where you're sharing your IPv4 address with many customers - this would be similar in magnitude to a VPN in terms of the ability for a server to fingerprint you based on IP.)

>But in most OSes the right part is randomly generated and changes on some cadence (e.g. daily).

>So in many cases, the ability for a server to individually fingerprint your device solely based on the IP address is roughly equivalent between IPv4 and IPv6.

That still makes ipv6 strictly worse, if you consider that a device is always uniquely identifiable at any given time, whereas with ipv4 NAT they can't be individually identified.

The "Hardware & Environment" part which supposedly links me across different browsers doesn't work — it differs between Safari, Firefox and Chromium.

In a private Safari window, it's not even stable across reloads.

EFF has this tool: https://coveryourtracks.eff.org/

Fascinating visualization , as someone building productivity extensions, it is always sobering to see exactly how much surface area the browser exposes.

Lying AI slop. Says I am unique among 7.2B devices and shows me a different fingerprint every time.

Idk how this vibe coded slopware made it to the front page of HN

If it changes every load, that's your browser farbling canvas/audio per-read (Brave or Firefox), which means the anti-fingerprinting is working. We missed crediting that in v1, so it should read lower now if you reload.

then youre straight up lying in your tool. thats not "something we(you+claude) missed".

Interesting work! Would randomnize the least frequent used fonts, apis and settings be an way to anti-fingerprinting?

Fun fact: some malware won't execute if it sees a Russian/Ukrainian keyboard layout, because the authors avoid hitting victims in their own jurisdiction.

https://krebsonsecurity.com/2021/05/try-this-one-weird-trick...

This does not account for anti fingerprinting. Also, are there any new tricks that are not in fingerprintjs?

I don't have JS enabled and it looks like they don't know anything about me at all.

> 1 in 7.6 billion browsers share this profile

I always knew I was so unique

unique is ideal, as long as you're differently unique to each site you visit

Off topic: I like the presentation of this site!

Well I'll following basically every step of the provided guide (more or less bog standard Firefox on a Pixel with strict tracking protection) and then it says 91℅ identifiable. A lot of the information towards the bottom doesn't make sense and the Claude slop fails to clarify it. I wish this actually made it clear what it is here that's uniquely identifying, because surely every other pixel is reporting the same screen and gpu and whatnot.

I built this after a thread here about Alibaba using an audio-context trick to fingerprint visitors. I knew a fair number of fingerprinting methods but not that one, and I wanted to see all of them in one place, running against my own browser.

GlassBox runs ~31 probes (canvas, WebGL/WebGPU, audio, fonts, the WASM feature set, math/engine quirks, WebRTC IP, timezone/locale, the permission and API matrices, an incognito heuristic, cross-site login-state, and so on) and shows the raw values plus an estimate of how identifiable you are.

A few deliberate choices:

- One static HTML file, no dependencies, no build step. Everything runs client-side and nothing is sent, with one opt-out exception: IP geolocation, which calls a public API. I didn't want a privacy tool that phones home.

- The "identifiability" number is an honest model, not a measurement. It sums published per-signal entropy (Panopticlick / AmIUnique / Cover Your Tracks), discounts signals your browser masks, and caps at the ~33 bits needed to single out one person on Earth. A no-server tool can't compute true rarity against a live population, so I label it an estimate instead of pretending. For real population numbers, Cover Your Tracks and AmIUnique have the datasets.

- There's a companion guide on lowering your fingerprint, with the caveat that uniqueness isn't privacy: blending into a big crowd (Tor at its default size) beats a bespoke hardened setup that makes you the only one who looks like that.

Source (MIT): https://github.com/HotStartLabs/glassbox

I'd genuinely like to know which vectors I'm missing, especially from the anti-fraud / detection side.

You even used an LLM to write your comment.

If you’re ESL, that’s not an excuse. You can write something in your own language and use a translator or even an LLM to translate it.

But using an LLM to write is delegating your cognition to a machine. At that point, you’re acknowledging that your own cognition has no value, so why are you trying to inflict a faked version of it on the rest of us?

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