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DiogenesKynikos

> You can’t choose a statute of limitations arbitrarily to suit only one side.

You don't have to precisely draw a statute of limitations to know that claiming land because of what happened during the reign of the Emperor Vespasian is completely insane.

> How many live in areas under the control of Palestinians?

Are you seriously asking this? There are nearly a million Israelis living (illegally, according to international law) in the Palestinian territories, but the Israelis will never let the Palestinians exercise legal authority over them. The Israelis have effectively annexed large swaths of the Palestinian territories, and wherever Israelis settle, the Palestinians are not allowed to exercise any control.

> It’s absolutely not safe for anyone visibly Jewish to enter Area A.

Dude, I have family members who have gone to Area A. They told me that the Palestinians were lovely to them, and mainly complained about how much their lives were restricted by the Israeli military occupation. In contrast, they told me that Israel was the rudest society they had ever experienced, by a very large margin.

Sounds like your relatives excel at generalizing to millions of people from a few individual interactions.

Jews were 100% ethnically cleansed from Gaza and the WB in 1948 - including from places where Jews have lived and owned property for hundreds of years, and this is maintained to this day wherever Arabs are in control. They were also ethnically cleansed from other Arab and Muslim countries.

The only places Jews can live safely in the Middle East are areas the IDF secures. It’s unfortunate that it has to be that way, when Arabs feel perfectly safe to live amongst Jews in Israel.

> Sounds like your relatives excel at generalizing to millions of people from a few individual interactions.

You claimed that it's extremely dangerous for any Jewish person to enter Palestinian cities, based on nothing. When I inform you that not only do many Jewish people go there all the time, but I have family members who have done so (and were treated far better by Palestinians than by Israelis), you just dismiss it.

> Jews were 100% ethnically cleansed from Gaza and the WB in 1948

There were hardly any Jews in the West Bank and Gaza in 1948 to begin with. The ethnic cleansing was almost entirely in the other direction.

> They were also ethnically cleansed from other Arab and Muslim countries.

This happened years after Israel ethnically cleansed the 78% of Palestine it took over. Arab Jews were victims of Israel's founding. The creation of a self-styled "Jewish state" through mass land theft and expulsion of the native population generated intense anger throughout the Arab world, which led to Arab Jews eventually being expelled or pressured out of their home countries.

> The only places Jews can live safely in the Middle East are areas the IDF secures.

Not true at all. There are plenty of Jewish tourists in the Middle East. The only thing I'll grant you is that Israel pretending to act in the name of all Jews does generate a lot of antisemitism and make Jews less safe around the world.

> Arabs feel perfectly safe to live amongst Jews in Israel.

Tell that to the millions of Palestinians who live under Israeli military rule and who are constantly subjected to pogroms.

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