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I don’t understand this mentality which I see over and over again on here. It’s not like the US frontier labs are beacons of morality and transparency.

It’s also pretty accepted within this community that a lot of data fed to US tech companies ends up with the Israeli government.

Meanwhile the current US government headed by Donny Tango has done a very thorough job of proving itself to be about as predictable and dependable as a rabid dog on crack.

Throughout the events which have transpired since a certain orange charlatan took office it is objectively true that the Chinese government has portrayed itself as a much more stable and sane entity.

We really need to stop this elitism and recognise the reality.

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It’s really about incentives more than morals. I know that, being in the US, if Anthropic steals my company’s trade secrets through model inputs contrary to our policy that I will (in theory) have legal standing and enforceable contracts against them. The same is not true against DeepSeek, and especially not against “Stealth”.

You can use DeepSeek’s models through a provider that doesn’t train on your data, nor retain it. You could also self host them.

sure, but topic is about some unknown model on openrouter

> It’s not like the US frontier labs are beacons of morality and transparency.

they are businesses, so respect wishes of customers who give them money, if someone learn they intentionally leak private information, its over for them.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM

they leaked ordinary citizens (meta)-data by government request, majority of who doesn't care about privacy. Its very different to leaking raw trade secret of large and powerful corporations.

This is the strongest oligarchy-washing I've seen in a while. Congrats!

I just described world we are living in.

>it is objectively true that the Chinese government has portrayed itself as a much more stable and sane entity

That only makes me, a US citizen (i.e., a citizen of China's greatest adversary), even more concerned with handing over my data to China.

To be fair to GP, they didn’t complain the model isn’t from the US. A “stealth” American model should be treated with the same suspicion, I think. The base of the argument isn’t affected by country of origin.

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