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  This isn't so much about Bun or Node.js any more. It is the battleground for AI and non-AI coding.

There is no non-AI coding anymore. I guarantee you Node.js team is heavily using AI to make changes and debug.

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No non-AI coding anymore? I think not. https://handcraftedcode.org

Some people still make crafts by hand.

Plenty of people on that list maintain serious production systems or open source projects in use by a wide variety of people. It's not just some nerds tinkering in their basement.

I don't doubt this is the case. Even if they're producing code by hand, surely they have LLM helpers by now.

Coding agents have really only taken off in the last 10 months. So it is still early.

You are living in a bubble. I've never used LLM helpers, and in my circle nobody does willingly. Those who are forced by their bosses to use such tools really enjoy in their free time coding by hand without a stupid robot watching over their shoulders.

We are billions of people opposed to AI as an ecocidal tech and a heteronomous political project, including much of the IT sector. Just because you only follow grifters and scammers trying to profit from the AI bubble doesn't mean "surely" we all follow those trends.

To be honest, I think you are the one living in a bubble.

I never pretended otherwise, unlike you. There are multitudes of humans and cultures, but you are reducing us all to your overhyped narrow silicon-valley view of humanity. Just because a few million people adhere to your AI death cult doesn't mean the rest of us "surely" do.

> Even if they're producing code by hand, surely they have LLM helpers by now.

Nah. Most of my coworkers got so annoyed by VS Code injecting copilot and other "helpers" that they have switched to Kate or Vim.

There are still a lot of places that value engineering excellence, and plenty of people who value doing the actual work and knowing that it is correct, instead of delegating to an LLM and hoping.

> There is no non-AI coding anymore.

The JVM and GCC have forbidden AI generated code. The world is bigger than you think.

  The policy does not forbid use of LLMs for research, analysis, bug discovery and reporting, patch review, etc. as long as the output is not included in contributions. The committee says that it expects the policy will evolve and will be revisited periodically.

Surely engineers are using LLMs to help, right?

https://lwn.net/Articles/1086041/

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