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i'd like to welcome you to the hell that is c/c++ dependency management. Make? cmake? qmake? conf? autoconf? configure? autotools? submodules??? AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

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Conan, Meson, Ninja, Bazel, meta-build tool / dependency manager #231 etc. etc. And then you have to deal with all the modern C++ and STL footguns.

It never ends .·°՞(っ-ᯅ-ς)՞°·.

I'd just select a tool, vendor the libraries I need to the codebase and call it a day. Did these for Eigen, liboption++, Catch2, Easylogging++ (now archived and not maintained anymore, sadly).

Build a simple makefile, and you're off to the races.

At least, for my cases, that is.

None of those (other than submodules which is just vendoring) does dependency management. They are more configuration management than anything. C, Python, Perl (and maybe ruby?) relies on flag switches and environment variables to find all the necessary files and modules for compiling/running a script. Cmake and autoconf just configure those.

With NPM and Rust's focus on project's level dependencies, there's no longer emphasis on API stability. Instead we have breakage every months, forcing everyone on the upgrade treadmill. It's easier to audit C library because they focus mostly on security updates instead of redesigning the API for the nth time.

vcpkg is pretty good. cmake is complex but very flexible. just need an llm to help and it's pretty much solved (if your dep is in autopkg)

I'll take all that over downloading and immediately executing random unreviewed code any day.

All of those can (and some do) wget source code from the internet and run it if you kick off their build pipeline. People just tend to use these tools differently.

Nothing is preventing anyone from distributing Rust crates as standard system packages, like some distros do with Python.

I think Debian is actually shipping rust libs in their repositories: https://wiki.debian.org/Rust Now Rust developers can also enjoy having to deal with popular packages that are years out of date/missing from popular repositories/getting deleted.

Of course they can be made to do anything but that's not what they are designed for and as a result they also build a culture that frowns upon doing that. Debian and other Linux distributions would have never had the policy do handle dependency resolution themselves if contemporary build systems automatically fetched everything automatically rather than being designed to use dependencies provided by the user.

xmake, build2, whatever msvc and xcode insist upon…

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