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> For all the hate I have for the COVID vaccine

Can you clarify that? It saved 100K+ lives even by incredibly conservative estimates, and allowed life to returned to normal at least a year earlier than otherwise.

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I can't speak for other people but I was upset to enter a medical era where bureaucrats were forcing medical decisions on me. I was forced to get it or lose my job despite 1) working remotely, 2) having already had Covid and 3) being healthy and not at risk of Covid death but being the largest risk for myocarditis.

Is that when you entered that era? Or did you enter it when you were a newborn in the hospital, or a kid entering school?

Because, it is always all about you...

Clearly his issue is not understanding its actually all about 'grandma'.

"Think about grandma" was the covid version of "somebody think of the children"

Truly, it's the same moralizing appeal-to-emotion but with a different target ("you care about grandma, right? you wouldn't want her to die, right?"). I've always felt it was strange that the argument was (and still is!) largely blindly supported on HN, like haven't we heard this one before?

It's about protecting each other, basic empathy. Doing the bare minimum to and taking miniscule risk to protect the lives of people around you. Sorry that's hard to understand.

It is 'hard to understand' if you get harmed in the process. Hence the jokes about 'doing it for grandma', or 'screwing yourself over with lifelong complications for someone who's already 80.'

That's the definition of a personal decision.

I might decide to shit on your front porch every morning. It is the definition of a personal decision.

> I was upset to enter a medical era

Did we enter a new era or where you not paying attention or affecting you before?

Reminds me of the old adage of:

Q: "Why is no one speaking about this?"

R: "Is no one talking about this, or are you just 20 and its the first time you are hearing about it?"

Americans are so silly. Resentful of being told to do anything for their own good or the good of others because of “individual liberty”, yet so willing to lick the boot of the police state and corrupt crony capitalists. Good news for you is that Elon went in and set the bureaucrats straight, so enjoy your diarrhea and glass in your food.

> I was upset to enter a medical era where bureaucrats were forcing medical decisions on me

We've been in that era your whole life.

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