Man who hacked Scarlett Johansson's e-mail sentenced to 10 years
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Lindsey Lohan and Paris Hilton drive around coked up and drunk and get either probation or a 1 month/1 year sentence but someone hacking a phone (who doesn't endanger anyone's life) gets 10 years???
Sometimes, punishments for violent crimes are lower than those for downloading songs/movies or some victimless crimes like recreational drugs.
Imagine it's your sister or girlfriend involved, and the pictures are splashed across Facebook by an ex-boyfriend.
In this case, the victims are certainly less sympathetic, but the principle is basically the same.
It reminds me a bit of this Hunter Moore business: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4890088
Putting that person in prison achieves none of that.
Obviously, that's just my personal opinion, and I kind of understand that other people feel differently.
If that's what justifies this degree of sentence, then I despair for our justice system (more than before). The principle you say is "basically the same," implies the standard should be "taking it personally." However, Lady Justice wears a blindfold as a symbol against just this reasoning.
http://news.yahoo.com/hollywood-hacker-honed-skills-years-07...
He really had this coming.
Anyways, this is not a case of some guy just accessing email. He "stole" identities, photographs and other stuff. According to the FBI site, he even continued to do so after his computers were raided.
Instead of thinking about the hacking, think about the actual damage of identity theft, invading privacy by leaking personal documents, and so on.
(Not that 10 years is a perfect sentence, and not that other sentencing makes sense.)
HSBC can aid terrorists and launder money from drug cartels and pay a fine. Goldman Sachs knowingly sells junk to their clients, minimizing their own exposure to the financial crisis, and gets a bailout.
Fuck this shit.
GS never got a bailout. They were paid by AIG using bailout money, for what they were owed, but never received a bailout by the US government at all.
Claiming that GS was bailed out is like claiming that Microsoft was bailed out -- AIG gave them money after the bailout too, I'm sure.
http://www.gq.com/news-politics/newsmakers/201205/chris-chan...
Does anyone in the US pretend that prison should be rehabilitative? I'm sure that this guy serving 10 years in prison is going to be a net-positive for our society. /not
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deterrence_(legal)#Effectivene...
Many people here seem to be okay with the idea of this being a punishable offense, but take issue with the length of the sentence (which I'll admit, seems excessive on first blush).
But what would an acceptable sentence be for hacking someone's email and then distributing their personal information? Maybe a year? That doesn't sound outrageous.
So if he did that, and was sentenced to a year in prison, and then got out and did it again, presumably another year in prison isn't unreasonable (you could argue for a harsher sentence because it was a repeat crime, but we'll ignore that).
So he did this to 50 different accounts. That's 50 separate crimes. He took a plea (which resulted in being found guilty of a lesser number of charges), and that got him 10 years.
I still think 10 years seems like a lot of time to spend in jail for a nonviolent crime, but shouldn't the number of crimes be used somehow in calculating a sentence?
I agree the punishment for hacking emails should be harsh, because your email is your life. But not 10 years... because reading or leaking someone's email is not akin to killing them.
The reason isn't because the US puts more people per year into prison; the reason is that the US keeps people in prison for so long.
The incredibly high prison rate has other weird effects. People are expected to die in prison but prison guards are not trained to deal with people at end of life. Dementia in particular is difficult for anyone to deal with.
I found this article moving:
Life, With Dementia (http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/26/health/dealing-with-dement...)
And here's another article about prison hospice:
(http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-1121-prison-hospice-...)
We know that prison doesn't work for most prisoners. So why do we spend so much money keeping people there? (There are some people who deserve to be in jail, and who cannot live in wider society.)
edited for clarity.
http://themercury.com/articles/man-gets-5-years-for-murder-a...
Wonder what Scarlett thinks of this; someone read her email, and is now in jail for 10 years.
The "virtual" nature of email makes it seem so much more distant than the reality of breaking and entering into someone elses home for the purposes of stealing their mail.
[1] Well presumably not surprising but there was an interesting arrest of a guy who did this at CostCo by searching through the finished pictures boxes looking for interesting pictures for his "collection."
Do you really face 10yrs for breaking into a hollywood apartment and releasing nude tapes you found?
I can see him going to a jail for a while, but 10 years is an awful long time for a crime that very likely didn't leave permanent damage of any kind (psychological, physical or otherwise).
I really can't speak for the judicial system of course, I do know that people I've talked to about this case see "email" as being less "real" than physical mail, and I also have spoken to people who have had their mail stolen and used against them. It is hard to be dispassionate about relative punishment in that case.
It may be that if someone stole your mail and published it you would just laugh it off. This guy took it a bit further than that I would say.
And just for context, in California at least since our prisons are over full, the most this guy would serve would be 5 years, and then he'd be eligible for parole in 18 months, less time off for good behavior. I don't know if Florida has similar issues but there are times in the California system where the goal is to have the person spend at least some time in jail and that sometimes requires a longer than expected sentence. (No idea at all if that is the case in Florida though)
Just because someone is a celebrity, doesn't mean that he or she wouldn't feel violated, humiliated, or degraded by such an experience. Supposedly the reason that the White Stripes stopped touring was because Meg kept having severe anxiety attacks on stage. This started happening shortly after someone released a sex tape that supposedly featured her. So basically, whether or not it was actually her in the video, the idea that everyone thought it was traumatized her so much that she couldn't even show up to work without having a panic attack. That seems pretty severe to me.
It's also important to note that there are teenagers who have attempted / succeeded in killing themselves as a result of having their private pictures being released.
I think that 10 years is too much, but I don't think for a second that it wasn't a serious crime.
(note that I'm not arguing about the harshness of the sentence, or how it compares to each and every other sentence for each and every other crime. I'm just saying that what he did is not remotely OK).
Yes you are -- albeit implicitly. You're arguing against a straw man that takes the extreme position that what he did was "OK". Very few people here (and certainly not "a large portion of the internet") believe that. Even the post that triggered this discussion didn't call his actions "OK", even though richforrester understated the severity of the "hacker"'s actions.