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It didn't used to be this way. The line between HN and reddit is converging and now sometimes it's difficult to tell them apart.
Frankly, it's a shame that the only high quality discussion I can find is on gross platforms like 'the everything app' or more obscure forums.
Meanwhile many of those people had a secondary agenda to keep the FDA from releasing the covid vaccine. America's Frontline Doctors (the group) promoted drugs over vaccines, etc.
Granted there was a lot of fear in the air back then. But this site is not immune from toxicity.