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Worse than Luna but more expensive than Luna. Sticking with Luna without sending my data to Deepseek (China)

Unless you're Chinese, why would you care if they see your data?

As an American, I'd much rather have my data kept outside the country than here where companies and the government have a lot more leverage over me.

This! It's always amusing when folks say "But China", my data in the hands of my government and their billionaire friends is more than dangerous than in China. I mean, if it's an IP sort of thing then go local.

I do think this question comes up a lot-- I can understand why.

For some well-explained reasons, check out https://darioamodei.com/essay/the-adolescence-of-technology and search for "CCP".

So is your concern more about reducing the risk of an authoritarian China "winning" the AI race? And less about reducing the risk of your data being used against you personally?

To me, the risks of an individual helping China to continue to develop their AI by being a customer is pretty marginal compared with the personal risks of my data being used against me.

I see. Though if you follow the argument set forth by Dario, it seems you'll not only have your concern to worry about (i.e., personal risks of your data used against you), but many more as well on top of that.

As somebody from neither the US nor China, this argument would be much stronger if the US hadn't started acting like a rogue state - starting wars of aggression and messing up the world's energy supply, actively speeding up climate change, kidnapping leaders of sovereign nations, threatening its allies (!) with invasion, etc etc.

The CCP's not great either, sure. But the Americans don't really have a leg to stand on anymore.

As far as AI is concerned, it looks like you will need to pick 1?

Then I pick the country that hasn't been bombing people and starting wars nonstop over the past 40 years.

Hint: It's not the U.S.

To be fair the US has been doing this its entire history, it just stopped pretending. C.f. Hawaii, Guatemala, Cuba, Chile, "The Jakarta Method", etc. etc. etc.

A blog by Dario of all people. Totally not bias towards non-US models.

Premise is wrong, "unless you're chinese".

Don't matter whether you are chinese or not, anything going to China will be used against you.

And also you are cherry-picking my comment on "China" as my emphasis was on Luna >>> DeepSeek.

You just are not reading my intention.

It’s either chinese in the US or chinese in China anyway

At least you can run it for relatively cheap hardware. I guess OpenAI doesn't let you do that.

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