The only person calling it stealing is the author of this article, so this is a pointless discussion. The majority of this thread is just arguing with themselves.
They are also encrypting it so they must see some reason to do this. I suspect they think it is proprietary or otherwise a way that people can “steal” their implementations.
The reason for this is the LLM says some truly unhinged shit while in the thinking stage of the process, and Twitter would trip over itself to make fun of what it says.
Anthropic and OpenAI made a big deal about how it's stealing.
They also have made a big deal about how what they did to build their models is not stealing. And we all know that's bullshit.
No, we actually don’t all know that.
I'm pretty sure essentially all HN participants understand that the frontier labs indiscriminately sucked up every bit of human output they could, IP and ethical concerns be damned. Some of that cohort may indeed be okay with it, but that doesn't change the facts.
Knowing that they trained on that data doesn't mean that you've demonstrated that they "stole" it. Certainly the courts haven't decided that in every case.
You mean you didn't know that all frontier models stole all of our knowledge and are now charging for it? It's abysmal and disgusting and we should pitchfork them all! :D
Stealing may be the wrong word, but I actually think this is important. I don't think the providers have been up-front about how we should be handling these thought signatures. A large system with a lot of users may be capturing these and even caching them to send them back with future requests. If data can be pulled out of these, then they need to be treated more like cookies than opaque, encrypted nonces.