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If we want to stop illegal immigration, "not getting a car loan" and "harder to move money across the border" feel like the most humane ways to slow it down.

Plus, the drug trade coming in from Mexico is, in fact, a huge problem, not just for the US, but for Mexico itself. Mexico is run by cartels specifically because of how much money is made off selling drugs to Americans. This isn't some non-existent problem they are using as cover.

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> If we want to stop illegal immigration, "not getting a car loan" and "harder to move money across the border" feel like the most humane ways to slow it down.

I can think of a more humane way: Prosecuting the employers who break the law by hiring undocumented workers. The prospect of employment is what draws migrants here in the first place.

It’s the only effective method and they basically refuse to do it. Which is a clear sign: the goal is not to “effectively and efficiently stop illegal immigration”. It’s to “cruelly and brutally punish illegal immigrants”. You will see some overlap between those two, but not much. Which is why our Stephen Miller executive policy is the way it is right now.

I think it's rather, keep those people around as useful scapegoats for empowering whatever next unpopular policy the oligarchy needs enacted to round up their next trillion.

>Prosecuting the employers who break the law by hiring undocumented workers.

Don't employers already have to check for authorization to work?

That's the breaking the law part.

Source? I've heard of companies hiring undocumented workers, but that's not the same as knowingly hiring them, or failing to do checks. For instance, the workers could have used stolen/forged SSNs.

They are supposed to be using e-verify for that

At least in construction related industries, it's an open secret that tons of the workers are illegally working. Even if companies do the bare minimum required by law to check for work documents, they do it once and never think about it again. Smaller companies will sometimes just pay in cash off the books.

How is taking away their ability to earn money at all more humane than not giving them a car loan? I'm genuinely confused how you are ranking those two things.

Sure, let them earn all the money they want so long as they walk there?

So, walking is worse than unemployment? I'm just asking where the ranking is coming from.

I'm not ranking anything, I agreed with you. Does it seem stupid or something? I don't get your problem

> feel like the most humane ways to slow it down

(Let us not feel:) How many innocent economic actors does the regulation hit.

Economic regulations affect everyone. I had to fill out a tax form because I had to resell tickets to a convert I was unable to go to. I don't feel sorry that people sending money over the border have to do the same now.

Nationalize businesses who get caught working with a permitless immigrant would be far, far more effective.

It ensure real checks, ensure that when the immigrant work permit expire, the employer have an incentive to help renew it (that alone ouwld probably solve 70 to 90% of illegal "aliens"

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