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It's funny to me, a Canadian, that this even warrants a did-you-know article because everything about the beaver fur/hat making industry is something I learned extensively about in elementary and high school because it was like, a major driver of the European exploration and colonization and therefore significant to the history of my country.

But outside of here it's just a footnote to a fashion trend.

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In the Canadian bush, you'll run into people still running beaver traplines. From what I hear it's mostly for nuisance control since pelt prices are quite low. When I was talking to trappers, they seemed to imply that the government sets prices and buys them like as a cartel, but I'm not sure what the process is or if I understood correctly.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trapline#Registered_traplines

I think a lot of is that traplines are a property right that will go away if they aren't inherited. So people use them because they inherited them.

Thanks for sharing this discrepancy!

Indeed, the "beaver as relevant tool as major driver" does actually not exist in schools in EU mainland; the chance is higher you hear about the porks brought by first European-immigrants that they used for food production because of their fast reproduction numbers.

(and porks are easy to deal with, they eat everything; Once I heard someone from crime enforcement saying: "the perfect murdery would be to feed the dead body to a herd of porks because they would even eat the teeth from the body")

The movie "Snatch"

https://youtu.be/_Yvmg4wcfzY?is=paeV1wjPaF2c6WZB

So, is it about Beaver or Pork then? :-D

In English, the creature is a pig or a hog, and the meat is pork.

We also have major feral pig problems in parts of the US.

I’ve found it interesting that cows become beef, sheep mutton, pigs pork, but goats, chicken, turkeys and fish keep their identities when they become food.

> After the Norman Conquest of England, nobles referred to the meat they ate in French, but the peasants who raised animals for meat referred to them in Anglo-Saxon. This is why modern English has words such as beef and pork for meat, but cow and pig for the animals it comes from

I guess fish/chicken were for peasants at the time

Not that perfect. The canadian pig-farming serial killer was eventually caught.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Pickton

thanks for the link!

We learned about it here in Minnesota, too! But I suppose we are about as close to Canadian as you can get without actually crossing the border.

Some people speculate that the USA gained control of Oregon country in large part because Canadians/Brits trading in beaver furs had to send all their pelts back to the UK before they could go out to the rest of the world. America just sailed from Boston to the PNW, traded for pelts and went directly to, say, China. Much faster, and cheaper too.

What was stopping the British from taking their pelts directly across the Pacific? It can't have been American control of the region if this is the explanation for how America got control of the region.

Spain certainly wasn't exporting silver from the New World to Europe before shipping it on to China; they shipped it directly there.

That's a good question. The British were definitely engaging in a very, very lucrative trade in sea otter pelts from the NW Coast of British Columbia, trading direct to Macau, and the Boston Men/USA got in on that as well over time.

Plausibly some agency (Hudson Bay company?) had a monopoly on beaver trade and this did not apply to sea otter, or maybe the story isn't quite right or there were other economic reasons why beavers to Asia as a concept wasn't exploited.

I guess it depends on what you call the new world, but for what it's worth that's not quite correct, the main transit point was Manila.

In true pedantic HN fashion I am currently vacationing on the west coast of Mexico and learned this fact yesterday.

> the main transit point was Manila.

Also explored in detail in Neal Stephensons "Cryptonomicon"

Beavers are big in canadiana but only Oregon put one on its flag, albeit on the back.

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