Previously:
Taste in the age of AI and LLMs - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47677241
You Had No Taste Before AI - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45288551
I went to the site and pasted something into the text box. The next step was to sign up.
I don't trust Pangram.
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Free money, right?
lmfao.. what were you hoping to astroturf with that?
It's baffling to me how people are so dismissive of Pangram despite never using it, extrapolating their experience from GPTZero or something else.
One (slightly frightening) possibility is that many people write like LLMs even without assistance from LLMs. AI writing may have just become the norm for some. Maybe that's what's happening here.
Joining these editors used to take years of training in order to write like they do. Now we have their wisdom available on the command line.
What made pretty good "taste" pretty good was its novelty. Now that pretty good is common it's no longer stylish.
it's like a new generation of chefs that only knows of Chili's, and thinks it's good.
shudder
This post reads off as AI slop. You said it, I see it. I’m sincerely sorry for publishing something that has allowed you to feel this way. If my word means anything to you, I would like to assure you that this post was not authored by a LLM. Nor was it storyboarded, reviewed, checked, etc. by a LLM. Some readers have pointed out that people do not speak this way. That is correct. I do not speak, nor usually write, like this and this post will go down as my not-the-proudest, however, I take your criticism to heart—although not personally—and strive to improve.
I do write like this sometimes. The short sentences, the reversals, the one-word lines—all of it. It’s just the way it is. A LLM writes that way too, because it was trained on the same essays I grew up reading, so me doing it badly and a machine doing it look about the same to you on the page. That says something about my writing. It says nothing about who wrote it.
So let me be plain about it: Claude was not here. No LLM wrote this—not a sentence of it, nor was it outlined, drafted, reviewed, checked, etc. by one, and there is no prompt behind it either. It is just me, writing worse than usual. I will write the next one plainer. Next time, write to me. I too am a person behind this screen.
The truth is that AI generated text is getting harder to detect, and while AI writing is still very lacking, more writing is getting the unwanted distinction of "plausibly written by AI." This was always going to be the natural course of events but plausible shouldn't mean guilty.
We should give more grace. To prosecute each and every mediocre writer in a witch trial with such weak evidence is entirely unnecessary.
The funny thing is that there are no "one-word lines". This more or less cements the fact that it must be AI in my mind.
https://www.pangram.com/history/0b397596-fa85-4869-bae3-2b1d...
Isn't aesthetic a better word for this?
For what it's worth though--taste, aesthetic, intuition--they really boil down to one thing: feeling. Something you can't reason. Almost emotional.
Your statement is unfair and mean: The biggest flaw in the article is that the author is unable to be concise.
We are at the point, when there is too much cognitive energy needed to discern writing from human, human ai assisted and all ai. Should we know make mistakes on purpose to avoid being labelled as ai slop? :)
I'm 100% confident that a human did not write this sentence unless they were deliberately trying to sound like an LLM. Just look at it! You don't need Pangram. There's a classifier model between your ears that knows how humans write.
Don't you and all the people in this thread claiming AI slop know that AI was trained on human writing?
Do you think this implies that it is impossible to distinguish LLM-generated text from human text? I don't think that follows at all.
>Running Llama 3 between your ears?
I'm always happy for a chance to improve my classifier! Can you provide some long-form writing from before 2024 that uses this style?