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That and the transportation. Otherwise, Seattle is probably the place I like to live in the states the most.

The traffic and lack of good public transport options is a serious negative :(

Depends what kind of transportation, though; when I lived there, I made use of the great bicycle infrastructure[1] every day, and really loved how much better that was than any other US city I'd lived in.

But yeah, the other forms of transportation (including plodding your own car through the traffic) kinda suck.

[1]: https://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&oe=UTF8&msa=...

Well, the Bay Area has pretty abysmal traffic as well.

Okay, if your entire route is along the Burke, bicycling is great. But if you have to go anywhere in downtown, you chose between battling cars and riding the bus. (Disclosure: I biked SODO to and from Cap hill for a while. 4th Ave during rush hour is a nightmare =).)

Biking in Seattle is great in some areas, horrid in others. Plus, HILLS.

Free workout! My office is moving to East Lake which puts it within biking distance, but the hills between here and there are going to be pretty rough for a while.

Biking and public transit in seattle are both hit or miss, although both are also improving. If you need to bike into downtown then you're fucked, you better be an aggressive, confident biker who's ok riding in heavy traffic and sharing lanes with cars. If you just want to bike recreationally rather than to get somewhere then things are a lot better.

As for public transit there are two big problems. One, coverage outside of the core downtown areas is comparatively sparse and irregular. Two, buses generally get stuck in the same traffic as cars and metro isn't smart enough to figure out how to adjust the schedules. This can mean that the same commute by bus can take an additional hour depending on the time of day. Also, using public transit for anything other than commuting to/from a normal 9-5 weekday job can be a huge hassle. These problems are very slowly being fixed though.

Seattle has fantastic transit, as long as you pick the right neighborhoods to live in. Basically, any neighborhood surrounding downtown has fantastic transit, as well as the U. District. Transit to the major job centers in the suburbs is also quite good.

Have to disagree - lived in Seattle 2 years, have also lived in Vancouver, Toronto, Ottawa, SF, and NYC - Seattle's transit is by a very wide margin the worst out of that bunch.

It's serviceable for some contrived use cases, but a long, long, long, loooong way from "fantastic".

I lived in Belltown first, and then Capitol Hill (right along the Broadway corridor) - both transit experiences were pretty shitty.

The transit is serviceable during off hours, but during rush it is an absolutely, completely unmitigated clusterfuck. All buses leading out of downtown are at crush capacity, and the ridiculous rule that back doors can't be opened means that at every stop there is a massive pile of human bodies as people towards the back shove and squeeze their way to the front to get out - only to run into crowds of people outside trying to get in.

If you work in the central business district, and live in one of the nicer "trunk line" neighborhoods, and you can stagger your work hours to avoid the worst of the inhumanity of Seattle transit during rush hour, you can get to work pretty well. If any one of the three conditions is not met, commuting via transit is going to be absolutely dreadful.

The only place I've ever experienced transit worse than Seattle was in the industrial slums of London, Ontario.

They discontinued the free-zone a month or two ago, so passengers can now get off the bus at the rear exit.

Uh...but the original rule at elimination of the ride-free zone was that you can get off ONLY at the rear of the bus.

There were drivers who were enforcing this with an iron fist.

They've since backed off, but it's pretty clear that the people making the rules at King County Metro do not ride the bus.

Also, unless the attendants with portable scanners are present, you can't enter the back of the bus unless you're willing to cheat -- it's a double-edged sword.

The issue with the free ride for me was when you were on a bus that was leaving/had left the free ride area, you had to exit the front so that you could pay. That was a major pain in the ass on a full bendy-bus.

Eliminating the free-ride zone has solved all the problems from my perspective. I see no issue with only allowing people to enter at the front; it doesn't cause any hassle as far as I have seen. I guess it would be an issue if you really felt the need to sit at the back?

to expand on jlgreco's point, not only are you now allowed to get off in the back it is strongly encouraged. Advertisements as well as signs on the bus itself tell you to get off in the back, and in my experience everyone does. Even though it's only been a couple months, bus rides are noticeably faster.

You are correct about rush hour busses out of downtown being absolutely packed though. While it can be an unpleasant ride, passengers are very rarely turned away.

It is not remotely fantastic.

I live 2.4 miles from my workplace -- Capitol Hill to Pioneer Square and I could run to work faster than the non-transfer bus that went between my front door and 2 blocks from work.

Now that they've changed the bus system (Sept 2012)? That's a transfer. Yes...between one of the most densely populated neighborhoods and a reasonably dense job district.

During rush hour, with bus transfer, that could take over 48 minutes for 2.4 miles -- that's 20 minutes/mile or 3 miles per hour. I've walked it in that amount of time +/- 2 minutes.

Traffic and public transport in Seattle is not as bad as Atlanta.

Or Philly, or Balitmore, or DC.

NYC has it beat, but how could it not?

"lack of good public transport options"

Granted, there's currently no subway, but within the city there's light rail, a decent bus system, streetcars, and generally bike-friendly infrastructure aside from the steep hills. There may be a lack of an excellent public transportation system, but there's still a good one in place.

I've been using a combination of Zipcars and Uber for my other transportation needs.

I've been living in Seattle for over 8 years now without a car, public transit is good enough for me...

That and the horrible weather. If the northwest's weather didn't suck so much, I would never have moved back down to the bay area.

Our summers are glorious :)

Don't you get bored with the constant sunshine?

> "Don't you get bored with the constant sunshine?"

(former Seattleite, and the weather has been the absolute greatest gain from moving away)

The summers were amazing. For those 2, maybe 3 months if we were lucky, I enjoyed the hell out of life. But as soon as the rain started, I had trouble staying motivated. I wasn't depressed either, cause I was happy and had a great time there, but there is only so much you can do while it's raining and cold.

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