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I get all of these with more or less recent (2023) Mazda here in Japan, but all of them can be turned off in settings. Are they always-on in EU?

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(I checked the directives weeks ago.)

In the eu, the general idea is "you can disable the functions each time you restart the car - they will be re-enabled as the car is off".

Some people spend minutes turning off the annoying parts from the settings before starting the car, each time.

It’s the main thing they tell you when you buy a new car. Press here 4 times, then here 3 times, then here once, and you’re good.

No single mamdani-burton to unsubscribe?

I haven't driven a recent model but afaik the answer for most is Yes, or at best you can disable them for the current ride and they turn on again automatically on every start.

That's quite insane then. Especially the lane departure warning / assist was downright dangerous in snowy conditions when the road markings became partially covered, I cannot imagine driving with that setting on all the time.

The "lane assist" is very dangerous. I don't understand how this got in cars to begin with, nevermind become mandatory.

It's super "fun" with temporary marking around road works. I bet it works perfectly in a lab but in the real world..

I've never had a point where it is dangerous. It vibrates the steering wheel and that's it. Even on the autobahn's 2.20m wide roadwork left lanes it works good/not bad enough I just leave it on. Lane keeping is not mandatory, only a warning system.

I guess it depends on the maker. For my car it nudges the wheel back into the lane in addition to vibrating.

Yep, it does, our VW also nudges back to the lane. The annoying thing is that you can only disable it by stepping through two pages on the on-board screen, though I think many newer models just have a button on the steering wheel to toggle it.

I had lane keeping “assist” in a Subaru Forrester rental car almost kill me and my family by trying to push us into the path of a very large truck last year.

I had it behave dangerously on a VW Atlas I rented, driving south out of Atlanta. A section of 85 has those half black, half white high-contrast stripes, and I had to firmly grip the wheel for the entire section because the lane keeping system was constantly trying to correct.

I don't understand how this got in cars to begin with, nevermind become mandatory.

Invent thing, fund some studies that show a statistically significant safety improvement. lobby rule- and law-making bodies to make it mandatory. If anyone declines, run a PR campaign saying 'Jurisdiction bureaucrats/Obstructive Lawmaker want to KILL YOU & YOUR FAMILY.'

> Especially the lane departure ... assist was downright dangerous in snowy conditions

And near cyclists...

(Opposite to some configurations described nearby, some car models do automatically steer pushing the car in its lane, they do not just warn the driver.)

We have a car with lane assist. But as far as I have seen (but can be mistaken), collision avoidance has a higher priority, so it would prefer avoiding a cyclist ov er staying in lane (though if the road is small, it might just start breaking).

> collision avoidance has a higher priority

Apparently not all cars have collision avoidance towards the sides. The combination of HW and SW features now varies.

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