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At least in capitalism you have the choice to look for a malware-free alternative. 100% USSR, had it survived to the IoT era, would penalize you for not having a state-mandated surveillance device on at all times.

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I agree fully with your assessment of USSR but basically any nation state with the power does such things.

Show me a COTS smartphone where the end-user can burn the OTP fuses for his personal public key, so they can have it boot their own custom signed firmware, and control exactly what runs in TrustZone's SW Secure World?

You can flash yourself GrapheneOS with your own keys for the bootloader. Then again "I can't make sure all manufacturers aren't in collusion" when FBI sues Apple and others (and fails) over suspects' phone access is quite different from "every device sold in the country must have government malware", as it is in China.

I can't find a device in the USA that doesn't come with government malware. Is this another instance of the USA accusing China of everything the USA is doing (like with the credit scores)?

You'd have to be a bit more specific of which government malware you found in Android/iOS devices, cause that would be interesting

Android comes with something called Google Play Services, and iOS has a thing called iCloud. You may have heard of them.

I have, I still have not heard how the US government uses these as malware, but I would love to learn something new

For instance, if you use an Apple phone and the government wants to see the pictures you took, they can just get a copy of them from Apple using iCloud.

Yes, using a warrant from a court. If the government wants to break into my house they can also do that with a warrant. Not exactly the same as having a key to my house though, and very far from a malware.

Also to be more specific, In apple ecosystem I can opt for encryption where they can't

In the UK you can't opt for encryption.

You still can install PGP/GPG and encrypt whatever you upload yourself.

Still waiting for anything comparable to what China does.

> Still waiting for anything comparable to what China does.

Social credit scores. The USA inspired China to copy them. But in the USA they aren't called social.

You're free to opt out of icloud/gcloud and the government will have a tough time extracting the pictures from your phone, as multiple lawsuits have shown.

Without my encryption keys, which Apple doesn’t have? Don’t think so.

Please tell me how with Advanced Data Protection on they can access my data. I’d love to hear it.

show me anyone outside of HN or XDA devs that would ever want to do that

> At least in capitalism you have the choice to look for a malware-free alternative.

In the US capitalism, can you find a mobile phone OS that respects owner freedom?

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