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It's a fake PR issue. It's hardly the first time this happens, but of course OpenAI, with its IPO now more in doubt than ever, had to claim this (and, once again, I have trouble believing Sam Altman choosing this: this could lead to OpenAI getting regulated, which has at least as much potential to lower their IPO price as to raise it).

But there have been messages about LLMs, especially coding agents, "grabbing root" etc many times. I have experienced such an oops. Such a hack has happened and been reported on this very site:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48348578

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No, you are wrong, Hugging Face, an AI company whose whole future depends on the AI revolution of being a bubble, that has a whole bunch of investors whose financial interests are tied to AI, called the police.

Nonsense. Hugging face reported it to police.

Also very likely that it actually happened as reported. My own agents always trying to "cheat", eg. by fixing tests instead of fixing the code. That's normal operation, unless you tell it ("harness"), not to do so.

In the parent's comment I initially read "PR" as "Public Relations" not problem report since their comment is about OpenAI and does not directly accuse Hugging Face except for that phrase. But it's still amiguous to me who's PR they are actually talking about. A good faith reading given the rest of the comment leads me to assume they are talking about OpenAI, not Higgins Face.

I did actually search Hugging Face with police in quotes and found no articles containg the word police but that might be a ddg thing. Then I checked Hugging Face's report and they specifically use the term "law enforcement" not police, as is to be expected I guess. So that checks out.

Can you find any info on the police investigation by the way? At the least, OpenAI should be investigated for potential criminal negligence, right?

Right?

"As reported" includes a line I think most people are overlooking: "including using stolen credentials".

Without more information I'm inclined to think it found something on the internet (which shouldn't be a surprise to anyone) and managed to log in, rather than hack in, and they might by hyping up parts of this.

More likely that a person did that, with a use of LLM.

Nonsense. Huggingface reported it to police!

What does calling the police prove? (nothing i hope)

It proves that it was certainly not a sama PR stunt, as many cynics are alleging.

How does it prove that?

Do you think sama deliberately attacked HuggingFace and then claimed it was a rogue model?

OpenAI is one of the most scrutinized companies in the world right now. Sam's house was independently firebombed and then shot at 3 months ago. HuggingFace is a foreign competitor with every incentive to call out foul play from American frontier labs. Why flagrantly break the law and invite investigation just for a PR moment which is already backfiring in favor of open models?

I'm not saying that the conspiracy theory is true, but I do want to note that Greg Brockman, co-founder and President of OpenAI, is an angel investor in HuggingFace. As companies, they are not totally unconnected and opposed.

I don't know if Greg Brockman is an angel investor or not, but there are a bunch of other companies investing -- Google, Amazon, Nvidia, Intel, AMD, Qualcomm, IBM, Salesforce -- probably at much higher amount than individual angel investors. Whatever connection they may have with Greg Brockman, they have much more serious commitment to other investors.

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