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Should they also stop using American tech because of the vast list of American war crimes?

Well there are millions of European trying to avoid US tech. It's hard. A lot harder than Russian tech.

As for the comparison, I don't think it's fair. The US has not yet invaded its neighbor, Canada, leading to millions of deaths and heavy casualties. Let's not adopt your binary view on this matter.

So it's ok if they invade far-away countries, napalm bomb them leading to millions of casualties, but not ok to invade neighboring countries?

The US is responsible for far more pain and suffering in my nock of the world, so it's funny when Americans act like they have some sort of moral high ground.

Whoa! You don't know where they are from. Given time zones, it's likely they are from Europe

Or very far eastern Canada :D

The US has at least led the longest window of relative peace in the world. Might seem worse or the same to you if you're in one of the flashpoints, but for Europeans they've been reasonable hegemons until recently.

Russia has no such redeeming qualities, as far as I can tell they've always been extractive expansionist assholes like all previous empires. The only reason you might not despise them is that they might not be active in your area, as their ability to project force has always been pathetic. In Eastern Europe they're roughly Satan, and have been for at least a century.

Indeed, the comparison isnt fair. The US is complicit in a genocide recognised by the UN and many of the US's own allies.

They have only threatened to do that, yes

>As for the comparison, I don't think it's fair. The US has not yet invaded its neighbor, Canada, leading to millions of deaths and heavy casualties. Let's not adopt your binary view on this matter.

No, just bombed, invaded, overthrew governments, etc in dozens of countries all around the world...

Yet not annexed anyone so far (seems like US today is another case).

Given that we talk about mostly white European settlers, just the huge majority of native american lands, a good chunk of Mexico, Hawaii, Puerto Rico, and several smaller places, areas controlled as "banana republics", Phillipines, and who knows, eventually Greenland, and even talk about Canada, unserious as it likely is.

And with no own ethnic population there to begin with or continuous historical ties to the area.

The US invaded Afghanistan, Iraq, Vietnam, Syria, Latin America etc.

The list is too long. So here's a link showing the list of invasions, bombings, and CIA-backed regime-change operations in other countries:

https://www.davemanuel.com/us-military-interventions-invasio...

The estimates are that the US has killed between 20 and 30 million people after WWII.

And these are just direct kills. The figure is much higher if you count indirect kills through means of economic sanctions.

Yes, I know, didn't you read the "Well there are millions of European trying to avoid US tech. It's hard. A lot harder than Russian tech." sentence above ?

You're comparing a war currently being played by Russia, destroying their own country by the way, to past wars.

I'm not saying the US didn't trigger wars and their casualties. It's of course true.

> You're comparing a war currently being played by Russia, destroying their own country by the way, to past wars.

During the past year and a half, the US has bombed Iran, Venezuela, Iraq, Yemen and Mexico. It has provided free bombs to a country that has been bombing Palestine (genocide), Lebanon, Syria, Yemen and Iran.

It has kidnapped the leader of a country and assassinated the leader of another country.

It has pirated all oil shipments to Cuba, causing a severe crisis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2026_United_States_fuel_blocka...

Avoiding Russian tech, specifically Yandex, is also hard because Yandex is one of only three search indexes that aren't corrupted to all hell with business interests. The other ones being Marginalia and Mojeek. Of those, it's the only one that has image search.

I mean yes, there's an enormous movement to diversify away from american tech currently in the EU, and a massive amount of investment to get away from the entire american tech bubble

I have no idea why you're phrasing this like this when so much money is being put into solving precisely this problem right now

> have no idea why you're phrasing this like this

Because Kagi is in California.

Do we live in Ecotopia ? Did I miss the news ? Hopefully yes.

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