For example, can we expect Czech PISA scores to go up by 50 points from this change?
Or is this one of those "it feels like it should be good, therefore it's good"? Or maybe "we asked a bunch of people whether they think it's good and they said yes"?
You've got to remember that measures like this are limiting people's freedoms, so they need to provide measurable improvements.
This is a freedom-from / freedom-to distinction. Once you look at kids as a social group rather than as a single individual I think you can come to very different conclusions about what is on balance healthier.
Children’s freedoms ought to be limited, yes.
So many people have wacky ideas on how to raise kids these days. I question the effectiveness of laws like these, but they are worth trying out. And I think a lot of parents in my generation (millenials) need some serious assistance with teaching kids boundaries.
Keep in mind that, while you feel like they’re millenials because you are one yourself, many of these people might be kids themselves. That’s the problem with children having access with the internet: there cannot be no boundaries anymore, everyone is an equal being their anonymous account.
My parents were sure that sitting too close to a TV ruined your eyesight. Should we get a law that forces people to sit at least X meters from the TV? Personally I'd like to see some evidence first, instead of "but we must limit freedoms".
Just because they aren’t ready to make informed decisions, yes. If they were ready, they’d be called adults.
> My parents were sure that sitting too close to a TV ruined your eyesight. Should we get a law that forces people to sit at least X meters from the TV?
It is children’s freedoms that ought to be restricted. Not their parents’. If you don’t understand the difference, that’s a problem.
Studies show phone bans help school performance, albeit not by much immediately, but there’s not much upside.
You can easily see the effect of COVID in PISA scores for example.
How much higher will Czechia's score be on the next PISA test based on this?
France:
>Mobile phones have been prohibited for students from 3 to 15 years of age, since September 2018, although they were first banned in classroom time in 2010.
French PISA results for math, science, reading:
* 2022: 474, 487, 474
* 2018: 495, 493, 493
* 2015: 493, 495, 499
* 2012: 495, 499, 505
* 2009: 497, 498, 496
I'm really impressed by the improvements of nothing.
This is NOT how an intelligent person draws their conclusions. It's Facebook-level fear mongering, not worthy of HN.
But you don't need study to know kids staring at phones instead of talking and playing together is improvement.
What logic is this?
I think people like you are the reason I’m a strong supporter of the concept that people should pass an evaluation and get a permit to have a child.
Of course the freedom of choice for children is limited because their brains are not mature enough to make an educated decision and quite gullible. That’s why it’s illegal for them to drink alcohol, drive vehicles and smoke cigarettes.
Of course that, like literacy tests for voting, will never be gamed.
Because to be it looks like you are the gullible ones because you are not making educated decisions. France banned mobile phones in school in 2018. Suddenly some kind of a ban had been in place since 2010. Go look at their PISA scores and see if you can notice any improvement. Because I can't.
How can you even call others gullible when the measures you're talking about don't actually show up in measurements of education systems?
(yes, yes, with obvious exemptions for special needs, computer science classes and so on).