Fable is now included on Max plans (up to 50% of weekly limit)

Huge fan of Claude for a long time but switched now to Codex after all of this "ok one more week, one more week" stuff. It feels like Sol is quite capable, and the nice thing is the refusal rates seem more reasonable, _especially_ if you're doing anything thats reasonable but that they consider "sensitive". The dealbreaker for me is their initial nerfing / silent sabotage but now down-grading for anything even resembling AI work. That's a pretty low blow IMO.

Limiting the amount of Fable usage makes us reserve Fable for our hardest problems, which is probably a very important signal when it comes to how valuable the training data is.

In other words, I think they've found a way to manipulate their customers into labeling sessions as "high quality data" (Fable sessions) and "low quality data" (non-Fable sessions).

I was confused about this a few hours ago. Why did I still have Fable 5 on my Max plan today? Am I getting billed per token, eek? (No.)

This is the message in in the claude [code] cli:

   Fable 5 is now a standard part of your Max plan
   You can use up to 50% of your weekly usage limit on Fable 5. If you hit your limit, you can continue on Fable 5 with usage credits. Fable 5 draws down usage faster than Opus 4.8. Run /model and select Fable to use it. Learn more: https://support.claude.com/en/articles/15424964-claude-fable-5-promotional-access

Fable is insanely annoying. It treats me like an incompetent, suggesting when something is in my expertise that I'm actually wrong. And then it will simply refuse to engage or do what's asked. Anything related to present day American Politics is strictly off limits. How is this truth seeking, or rational? Model misalignment increases when post-training is done on non verifiably domains. Scary times indeed.

I've been using Fable on and off since the promotion started and have been fairly impressed with it, so I consider this great news!

At the same time, I sense a lot of negativity (especially on HN) in comparison to Codex from OpenAI (who IIUC is bleeding money to keep this going, though maybe Anthropic is too) which didn't do as many promotional and nerf-ing shenanigans.

As somebody who doesn't want to constantly switch tools, is Codex really that much better, or is this sour grapes from folks who want to stay on the subsidized access plans and are mad at Anthropic's pricing model?

Co-worker and I were speculating that a) They'd extend the preview period when OpenAI announced Sol (which they did, maybe not because of Sol though) and b) That once the preview period it was going to get included by default on plans in a couple weeks so they could gauge usage of it being included versus having to pay for it all the time. Noticed that Fable was included when I launched claude code this morning, so I'm guessing they have all the data they needed to make a decision.

If they want to sell me 50% something I don't want then they get 0% sale and my money goes to their competitors. Simple as that, Anthropic.

Due to all their fumbling I decided to not even try Fable. Why get used to a model with limited shelve life when I can just use the older models that do well for me? Well then 5.6 came out, now Kimi came out and I’m just letting my Anthropic subscription expire. Anthropic will need to do a whole lot better because this just ain’t it.

Earlier: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48975142

Previously: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48954522

I recommend people do mini "evals" from time to time, ask the same question to different models, and eventually you'll arrive at the conclusion that there is nothing like Fable.

I've noticed Fable's safeguards being a lot more sensitive today. Like, waayyy more sensitive than they were just yesterday. It feels like they did something...

Not surprised, considering how bad it is. Even the simplest tasks trigger a safety. I couldn't imagine paying for it extra.

The effort frontier model providers are going through to generate a permanent client base would make Philip Morris blush.

Make no mistake: the only reason you are getting the Fable 5 on Max plans is the Chinese competition.

Without it, you would be paying $2,000/month (Sam Altman, circa 2023/24 when he was saying GPT-4 had IQ of 130).

Oh ffs.

Title should be:

"Fable is now included on Max plans (up to 50% of weekly limit) if you actually have any usage left after when you thought it'd be taken off you yesterday"

Hello, Codex

...but not for Pro plans anymore, they give you one-time 100$ extra usage credits instead (well it said 100$ but I only got 85).

Disappointed Kimi has closed subscriptions due to capacity constraints.

With Kimi and Codex there is no need for silly Fable.