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Ok, do fix the Wikipedia article.

But, born here? Or not born here?

Anyhow, "criminals" is a way too vague concept for expelling someone from a country, especially when your party could come to power and criminalize anything you want.

And, Show me the man and I'll show you the crime: most people commit something illegal relatively frequently, sometimes without even realizing that it could be (e.g. copyright violations, libel, slight violations of obscure little-known laws...).

They'll typically never face consequences for that; but if you target them, or if it becomes more interesting for law enforcement to find any violation of the law on the part of someone, more often than not something will be found.

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Come now, this is a response to very obvious criminal situations, parties like this (and SD) don't just pop up in very egalitarian, sectarian and liberal societies like Sweden for no reason whatsoever.

I empathise with the point you're making, and I suspect we agree on a lot more than you expect, but there is a serious issue with crime as it is currently defined.

It could be a response, but the point I was making was that while saying "criminals should be expelled" might sound reasonable to many, defining what exactly you mean with criminal is extremely important.

If the party comes to power and the law they'll actually enact says "If you violated any law you can be expelled", it would make anyone easily expellable.

this kind of slippery slope is why I hate vague rules on forums, let alone national laws.

Selective enforcement of those you find disagreeable is a way of bullying people with impunity.

That said, I'm curious on how you would solve the issue that Sweden is faced with. It is a very outsized, pronounced, issue and the legal system in Sweden is not equipped to deal with it.

The Swedish legal system prioritises rehabilitation, but the scale of the problem and the reoffending rate being what it is for serious crimes of foreign born persons does need to be answered somehow.

Ignoring it will make the problem worse, people will keep reaching further right.

I don't know very much about Sweden's issues, but if you say that the legal system is not equipped to deal with them, maybe that's what should be fixed?

Do search for the causes and strive to solve them, I doubt that the only possible solution (if it were a solution) is mass deportations.

Insufficient integration efforts could well be at the root of a lot of the immigrant crime problems; I agree with striving to integrate immigrants, to the point that I agree to a lot of what I see at https://web.archive.org/web/20200120174720/http://www.orebro... (2020, not on their site anymore).

I think you should demand committed acceptance of some core values to new immigrants, and I can agree with expulsion after serious enough violations of those.