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I fed it to Google AI Studio, enabling tool execution and disabling web access. It also quickly verified it with SymPy, then went into psychosis.

5 minutes later: all previous chats are loading fine, but the only "Counterexample to the Jacobian Conjecture" chat is not loading.

Well, I'm not a conventional conspiracy theorist. But everyone knows that in every major LLM provider there are hell of hidden guarding systems that mark users and dialogues based on content (for topics about national security, biology, security, adult topics, etc.) - so there is a small chance a CEO of Google is now receiving a dozens of notifications about "ground-breaking results that could be attributed to Gemini, if act quick". So if any of thousands researchers have ever submitted this polynomial to Claude previously, any Anthropic employee can accidentally or intentionally "rediscover" the result of other researcher (and even hide the traces by deleting a dialogue of other user).

> all previous chats are loading fine, but the only "Counterexample to the Jacobian Conjecture" chat is not loading.

This happened multiple times to me with Gemini. For the most trivial of requests, like translating a video into English.

> "ground-breaking results that could be attributed to Gemini, if act quick"

This would be such a dumb thing to do, and so easy to get caught with...

That is not dumb - erasing copyrights is just their business, and even when caught has zero consequences (for them). Providers can use any users input for improving their models, either by consent, or by flagging any dialogue for safety review (nonconsensually), or by training on whatever content they want anyways (obtained via torrents from pirate sites with U.S. court approval).

On top of that, I retried the same question + one simple question, and again, same behavior - second JC chat is loading forever. That's more just a funny observation over Gemini - today this is very likely some internal issue, tomorrow it can be used for plausible deniability against copyright accusations.

Why stop at Gemini then. They could also scan everything passing through Gmail for emails with math/science breakthroughs and then claim Gemini found them.

"There is another theory which states that this has already happened."

... for the management of Google that is so eager to present AI results that Prabhakar Raghavan proudly reported to a press crowd telling his daughter about James Webb photographing a planet outside the solar system. This is generally accepted as having resulted in a 10% drop in the Google stock price over 2 days.

(the key being this never happened, and won't ever happen: the James Webb telescope doesn't have even 1/1000th of the resolution necessary to resolve an extraterrestrial planet)

https://www.reuters.com/technology/google-ai-chatbot-bard-of...

https://www.wired.com/story/google-openai-gemini-chatgpt-art...

https://www.popsci.com/technology/google-ai-in-paris/

I wish I could say this only happened once.

It dropped 10% ... but then it got better

It went from 108 to 95. It didn't even recover for 2 months and 2 weeks (the next - spectacularly good - earnings were just barely enough to make the stock achieve 108 again ... for a second (well, 2 days, 1 if you don't count after hours). It really took close to 4 months. And nobody really knows if it wouldn't have been 10% higher forever without that particular senior management fuckup in AI.

And it would be FAR from their last AI fuckup. In fact, the Kimi K3 release, which extremely likely cancelled the Gemini 4 pro rollout (probably because Kimi K3 outperforms not just Gemini, but Gemini 4 pro as well. So in case you're looking to now ask "which Gemini did you mean there?", the answer is ALL OF THEM, very likely including unreleased Gemini models)

It outperforms the fucking ASR model Google uses, which is presumably also a Gemini derivative.

This, by the way, cost Google stock ANOTHER 10%, last week.

> This would be such a dumb thing to do, and so easy to get caught with...

Based on what I see of American politics, it seems like the thing to do, then!

Well, Gemini is just a bad model in general, you have two variables going on.

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