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There is also the "You aren't paid to think, you are paid to do exactly what I tell you, nothing more or less!" school of management. I'm not sure how prevalent this attitude is now but it was very common in the 90s and 2000s. The AI and the bosses that want you to use it all speak from positions of authority and confidence. That's their right, granted to them by their position. You don't speak that way because as a subordinate if you do so it's an act of insubordination or disfealty and you need to be reminded of your place. So you learn to stay in your lane, mind your own business, etc etc because rule number one is that the nail that sticks up gets beaten down. ("He who has the money makes the rules" is rule number zero.)

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That school of thought echoes today in statements like (paraphrasing) "you may like home office more, and I may not have any hard evidence that working from the office is better, but trust me, it improves collaboration, even if the people you work with aren't in the same office!"

I think you're both talking about personality problems:

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/06/22/opinion/office-work-wfh-b...:

> The Secret Reason Bosses Want Everyone Back in the Office, Every Day of the Week

> ...

> Case by case, there may be good reasons for teams to work together in person. As a general rule, though, it turns out that ordering people back to the office full time is a power and status move. It’s a signature strategy of leaders who exhibit narcissistic qualities. They see any kind of remote work as a threat to their authority and admiration. They want to be worshiped at the office altar.

> But our data does show that overall, self-centered leaders tend to struggle with the idea of employees making independent choices about where to work. Psychologists have long suggested that narcissism is like a drug — it leaves people craving a regular supply of attention and validation. Remote work deprives leaders of access to that supply.... When people aren’t in the office, it’s harder to command and control....

I mean employees pushing for remote work is a status and power play, too. I’d imagine self-centered employees don’t like being told where to work either.

Office work isn’t objectively bad and remote work isn’t objectively good.

If you like one and dislike the other, shocker you’re going to find fault with the other side’s reasoning.

I can only speak for myself, and I wouldn't necessarily describe myself as self-centered - except maybe for the fact that I resent two hours of my time being taken from me every time I have to go to the office, and not even getting any money for it. And being told to work 3 and soon 5 days from the office after it has been proven that home office works just as well feels like turning back the clock. Yes, that's an exercise the whole US administration is currently very excited about, but I don't even live in the US!

It isn't wrong to be self-centered!

How many self-centered people have you met in your life who go, "yep, I'd call myself self-centered."

BUT if you work with people who would rather work with you in an office then you are being self-centered by putting your wishes to work remotely above their's. That is not wrong! But it is also not wrong for their wishes to include you commuting into an office.

If 2 people have different and conflicting desires, one of them is likely to end up disappointed!

This way of thinking is absolutely still around. I think AI may actually be making it worse. Now managers have it to validate their ideas and they don't think they have to listen to feedback from subordinates because some AI agrees with them.

So your position is that people actually want to do more work, but their managers are forcing them to work less? I don't buy it.

Yup, it happens. Often in service companies. Client paid fox x, y, z, not x2, y, z.

I have worked with people who have this attitude ("do the story, now!"). I think it eventually de-motivates people and you get a lot of bare-minimum type work from the development team. There's often a lot of stressful priority shifting as well, that can also encourage people to meet only the minimum requirements.

No, you missed the point. The GP was talking about causes for the situation where people are apparently prone to "outsourcing their thinking", resulting in low-effort AI slop being produced by entities that really should know better. The style of management I describe destroys the employee's confidence and agency, so they are much more likely to just submit and blindly accept whatever management/AI/etc. tells them than to do any sort of critical thinking.

People are prone to outsource their thinking because it's the path of least resistance.

I interpreted the comment you are responding to as “people want to do what they believe is the right work” rather than simply the mandated work (which they might fundamentally disagree with, directionally). When people have limited agency, apathy increases.

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