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Hasn't this always been the case? Arxiv being used for self promotion and Kaggle being used to pivot into the industry. It is not a recent phenomenon.

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Academia is itself self promotion. Conferences, publications, talks, all of it.

I understand why this external view exists, as dissemination is inherently part of the scientific mission; but if you look more carefully, you will see that it is simultaneously science promotion, and many of the best participants do not shamelessly promote themselves.

I did a PhD, so not external. Sure one doesn't have to be maximally cynical but a lot of it is self promotion.

And in context: the same can be said about Kaggle, about Youtubers, about music creators etc. Every endeavor is a mix of "pure" promotion of the art and of shameless self promotion and status games. The common factor is humans. My point was, academia is not more pure than the Kaggle guys who fish for industry jobs.

I cannot speak for the intended purpose of ArXiv by its creators but I can tell you that, in the conference circles, its main intended use was flag planting: people were afraid that their competitors would tweet some results while their (earlier) paper was under anonymous review, and so researchers started putting their stuff on ArXiv first to ensure no one would "steal" their claim of being there first.

I don't think it has much to do with tweets, but the flag planting is correct. You have to timestamp your idea because otherwise if you're too slow, the community doesn't much care about "pretty much same idea but now done properly and thoroughly" and will just elevate the faster one.

If the researchers didn't care about promoting themselves they would not care whether a competitor published a result first or they did. Either way science is being pushed forward.

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