T-Mobile CEO confirms the iPhone and the death of phone subsidies
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It's also good to see T-Mobile pushing fast for 4G LTE. While HSPA+ 42 does offer good speeds, the marketing perception won't change and the fact that ping times are worse on HSPA+ does mean that important real-world use cases can lag. I'm a little dubious of their schedule. Sprint started working on LTE a long while ago and thought they would have 120M POPs covered by the end of 2012. Considering that they've been launching more rural areas and haven't been able to launch in several cities they announced a while ago, it seems like it's going to take Sprint a good while longer than they had anticipated. T-Mobile is saying that they will have 100M POPs covered half a year from now and 200M POPs covered a year from now. That's ambitious. Judging from Sprint's slipping release schedule, it might be prudent to think that T-Mobile's projections might also slip.
However, if T-Mobile's dates slip on LTE a bit, it shouldn't hurt them too badly. Their customers can fall back to HSPA+ 42 and that provides a good network experience (if not as good). This is in contrast to Verizon and Sprint customers who fall back to EV-DO when out of LTE coverage range. That probably doesn't matter for a lot of Verizon customers, but Sprint is still working to cover top markets.
T-Mobile does have some good assets. The fact that they're going to be able to launch with 10MHz LTE will be good since it should match what Verizon and AT&T are deploying and out-do Sprint's 5MHz deployment. If they merge with MetroPCS, they will have a good spectrum position to continue growing LTE on including 20MHz LTE channels. Lower/different pricing combined with unlimited 4G might start attracting customers. Part of this is just undue excitement over the prospect of a re-invigorated competitor in an industry dominated by two carriers. Still, maybe T-Mobile will pull it off.
What doesn't make sense right now is that their no-contract "Monthly4G" plans are a better value than the "value" plans. They have the same service levels at the same prices, but without the contract.
If 80% of their activations are choosing the value plans, are these people simply not noticing there's another option in the website menu? I can't imagine why you'd sign a contract for no benefit.
That's the case on a lot of carriers, not just T-Mobile. Off-contract plans are usually cheaper than on-contract plans. Verizon, AT&T, etc. just don't advertise their off-contract plans, so you have to ask for them explicitly.\
In T-Mobile's case, they're actually pushing the disadvantages of an on-contract plan (lock-in) with some of the advantages of an off-contract plan (cheaper bill, though I suspect still not as cheap).
I tried unsuccessfully to argue the logic with them that if they didn't need to subsidize the prepaid phone why couldn't they pass the savings through to me?
I was told by the manager that's the plan take it or leave it, so I left.
> Credit approval, $35 per line activation fee, and two-year agreement with up to $200/line early cancellation fee required; deposit may apply. If you switch plans, you may be bound by existing or extended contract term (including early cancellation provisions) and/or charged a fee of up to $200.
If you don't want to tether, though, Monthly 4G is definitely the way to go. $30/mo for 100 minutes and 5 GB data; all you need is a VoIP app and that's perfectly serviceable, and again no other carrier offers anything similar.
If their sniffer becomes smarter in the future you can always switch to a VPN for your tethering traffic, which they wouldn't be able to distinguish from a VPN connection made by the phone itself.
Ultimately, as long as you have full control over your phone they can't stop you from doing what you like with the data you're paying for. Of course, I wouldn't recommend relying on routine tethering without paying your carrier for it, but it's really nice to have on occasion.
I have had them try to send me to a "mobile hotspot feature" upsell page when using Chrome from my laptop while tethering. I figured out that they were checking browser user-agents to determine whether a user was tethering or not.
But the Chrome app on Android allows changing the user-agent to the desktop equivalent with its "request desktop site" feature. So I called and yelled at them saying that they had no right to block me from using my phone in the way that I wanted. They flipped a bit somewhere and I haven't had a problem since.
For reference I am on the Monthly4G $30 plan.
On WIND, for example, they give you 10% credit for the value of your bill every month. On a $50 plan (which is high for them), you get a $5 a month subsidy for your phone. If you stay for three years, they let you off the hook.
Meanwhile, the 'Big Three' (who own most of the budget players as well) offer a prorated subsidy: you get 1/36 of the value of your subsidy monthly, over three years. So, on an iPhone, you can get up to $20 a month in subsidy. Clearly this more than outweighs the extra cost of the plans.
What's funny is, people are afraid of 'contracts', even contracts with prorated termination fees. I once got the scary contract talk from a WIND salesperson, so I drew a little diagram on their chalkboard of the value over time of each contract. He saw the sharp drop at the end when they released the remaining $200 of debt, and his jaw dropped a little. People don't really think about this stuff rationally. Bell has even started giving a 10% discount monthly if you buy a phone outright, which makes absolutely no sense unless someone handed you a phone for free.
My point being, if experience in Canada proves anything, people will flock to this as long as you market it properly.
Keep in mind that it's for 2 lines. So, with the T-mobile prices, that's $1300 up-front for two iPhone 5's(the iPhone's $650 MSRP is about average for carrier-subsidized phones), versus $400 for the two phones through ATT. So that means, over 48 months, for the T-mobile plan to be better, he needs to save $900 over that period. That comes out to $18.75 per month.
The $5 he saves per month, after 48 months, would be $240. That's half of the subsidized cost difference for one phone, but his plan has 2 phones. In that case, the ATT plan would have saved him $600 ($6400 for ATT for 2 $200 iPhones and $125/month for 48 months vs $7060 for 2 $650 phones and $120/month for 48 months).
In fact, at that per month price difference, it would take 15 years to make up the difference between the ATT subsidized and non-subsidized T-mobile.
2 lines, each with 1000 min, unlimited text, unlimited data $99/month.
The phone subsidy is costing at least $600 over two years, so it may a reasonable choice if you're saving more than $300 per phone.
Their unlimited voice-text-2GB 3G/4G data plan has never cost me more than $50/month per phone including all taxes and surcharges.
In the past T-Mobile has also offered customers the ability to have a monthly plan that didn't require a contract. I'm hoping that they keep that around.
> T-Mobile will have to explain to customers that they will actually save money over the length of a two-year contract by paying a lower value plan rate.
So it sounds like they're still locking you in to a contract at the start. Yes, once the contract is over then you're off-contract, but if I'm not on Tmo already that doesn't really help.
(I have T-Mobile, Nexus S, $70/mo for voice/sms/5GB data)
I think this is great news for Google. Why? Because unlocked, unsubsidized phones with cheap data are going to be brought to the forefront of the consumer's attention. Consequently, margins are going to go down for carriers (overall -- individually, TMO might get a boost) and phone producers as people are able to quickly move to the carrier with the cheapest data, to the phone which offers the best features per dollar. Google, in turn, will benefit as more and more people move to cheap phones with data-heavy plans -- an advertisers dream.
They're 500$ new, 200-400$ on eBay, and free with T-Mobile subscription of 18mo (and dealing with some phone bureaucracy. This may seem like a lot, but it's a lot cheaper than paying 750$/yr more for data with AT&T, plus it will benefit your whole office.
She'll be much more likely to sign up if she can get it more affordably, with her existing phone. She, and many others I suspect, have no need to get a new phone every two years.
> 6. STRAIGHT TALK UNLIMITED TALK, TEXT AND MOBILE WEB ACCESS PLAN INTENDED USE: Straight Talk Unlimited Talk, Text and Mobile Web Access Plans may ONLY be used with a Straight Talk handset for the following purposes: (i) Person to Person Voice Calls (ii) Text and Picture Messaging (iii) Internet browsing through the Straight Talk Mobile Web Service and (iv) Authorized Content Downloads from the Straight Talk Mobile Web Store. The Straight Talk Unlimited Plans MAY NOT be used for any other purpose. Examples of prohibited uses include, without limitation, the following: (i) continuous mobile to mobile or mobile to landline voice calls; (ii) automated text or picture messaging to another mobile device or e-mail address; (iii) uploading, downloading or streaming of audio or video programming or games; (iv) server devices or host computer applications, including, but not limited to, Web camera posts or broadcasts, automatic data feeds, automated machine-to-machine connections or peer-to-peer (P2P) file sharing; or (v) as a substitute or backup for private lines or dedicated data connections.
And I've seen plenty of reports of people having their service summarily disconnected for doing audio or video streaming. I've also seen many reports of people getting cut off after doing more than a hundred MB or so in a day, or after doing more than a few GB in a month. Not even close to an "unlimited" plan as advertised.
T-Mobile is nuts with math anyways. My friend has a 65 dollar plan she pays over 100 a month for.
It doesn't seem clear that unsubsidized iPhone can work in the US, but I guess we'll see.
I converted from AT&T a month ago and it's working out pretty well so far, after some initial headaches getting them to provision the SIM card properly. I'm still on the AT&T network, just through the Straight Talk MVNO.
Remember that all of those carriers are reselling service. They cannot possibly offer it for truly cheaper than the big guys. They are just buying in bulk in hopes that you don't use much.