A better way to tie gym shorts (or any drawstring) [video]
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I instead just use the "Ian Knot" that I use to tie my shoes. It's very quick, I already use it all the time anyhow, and it rarely goes wrong. (Sometimes, I think I end up with an end through a loop accidentally, and have to fix it.)
Learning this extra knot didn't really help much, and it definitely went wrong more than I liked.
It's even more noticeable/frequent with round laces so that's what makes me suspect you might be a victim of this.
Comparison To Other Regular Shoelace Knots
It was much easier to prove that Ian's Secure Shoelace Knot is more secure than any of the regular shoelace knots. Using a pair of shoes with round, slippery laces, I tied one with my Ian Knot and the other with my Ian's Secure Shoelace Knot. Despite tying both to approximately the same average tightness, the Ian Knot came untied two or three times a week whereas the Ian's Secure Shoelace Knot never came untied.
I've even tried tying his shoes myself (so I know both the knots are pulled really tight, and that the loose ends are the same length as the bows). Even so, somehow the ends get pulled hard enough that they end up undone.
(Somehow for him even the Ian secure knot doesn't guarantee a full day without laces coming undone.)
If you've "invented" some relatively simple combination of existing pieces, the only sensible and humble thing to do is acknowledge that you're probably not the first one.
Would it bother you if I started re-wrote the Wikipedia article on the hot dog in an attempt to convince everyone I invented it? And if people started believing that?
2. He says right at the very top of the article[1] that what he's claiming is his "method," not the knot which he is attributing. A pretty soft and subjective claim, like if I claimed a "method" of making a hotdog which involves singing a particular song while squirting the mustard.
When you pull the two string ends of a standard knot at the same time, the loop shrink and pull out of each other at the same time. Just figure out how to do that backwards and you probably have Ian's Knot or something very close.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.nynix.knot...
https://www.fieggen.com/shoelace/grannyknot.htm
If you don't know about this problem yet, I strongly recommend to cross check if you have been tying it wrong for years!
(I swear there was a better one)
I'd argue I'm just about as fast adjusting my shorts than this guy in the video.
I haven't tied a drawstring or used a belt in maybe 15 years, when I realized it was worth finding clothes that fit well. They're more comfortable and look better.
I took the time one year to learn a bunch of knot work and my ability to tie my shoes so they lay nicely has improved, even if I’m just using the same knot. But I also only tie my shoes once and never again, courtesy of elastic laces, so perhaps this specific tutorial isn’t as helpful for me as others. Still worth learning a knot once, tho though!
I like to call it "moving with intention" in my head. Proactive movement rather than Reactive.
Smooth is fast and fast is good - but there's nothing wrong with smooth and slow as well!
Hell, I only tie my shoes once a week if that! I must be a effing kung fu fool! Still, watching the video and especially reading the comments really made me laugh!
Honestly, such endeavors are likely excessive. Time spent optimizing your body's movement is probably time better used elsewhere. Nonetheless it is your time! And there's always dance, mime, drama, yoga, etc. And there are exceptions, e.g., in the military there's often a need to do something like "move 20 fully-armed men inside a door in 10 seconds" or "get 15 men to awaken, take their morning constitution and dress in 16 minutes."
My father told me the Marines taught them how to do everything, even wipe their ass. I don't know if that was part of inspection.
Some hobbies are really excellent for generalists, because you can apply the one learning-training method to any number of bizarre or intentional circumstances that life hands you. I’m currently working on ‘select heavier than average apples with a single toss and catch each at the grocery store’ and, no joke, some guy at the store complimented this. I’m sure they were hitting on me but they noticed. Made my day. It’s the hobby that keeps on giving. (I have so far only dropped one apple and, yes, I bought the poor bruised thing.)
Other fun hobbies in the category: Diagnostic guessing, Balancing stuff, Vehicle operation, Packing efficiently (rather than most compactly), Knots (which are critical to textile and bodily repair both), Folding (or as Calvin might call it, dimensional transmogrification), Echolocation mapping (you can practice while sitting in a cafe).
At the core of this is learning how to learn, and then dedicating yourself to doing that somehow, no matter how pointless whatever hooks your attention might seem to others. I figured out at one point how to alter my visual perception frame rate to slow down and stall, just for a moment, a spinning (on high) ceiling fan’s blades. I can never get them to stand perfectly still but insomnia is cruel and the nights are long, and it’s fun to imagine what my brain is doing to brainwave sync rates across my visual cortex to make this work. (If seizure-prone, maybe don’t try this alone.) Unexpectedly, even this has had a practical value: when a passenger in trains or cars, I can consciously relax my eye muscles now and let the landscape motion blur by rather than saccade-focusing constantly. Hooray!
Every useless hobby skill has an unforeseen opportunity to be valuable :)
I will not be learning a fancy knot because I have no need
this knot rules, i'm glad i went back and tried it :)
I found myself in a similar situation taking my kids crab fishing. We were quite high above the water so I was trying to tie the thin string on the net to the bucket so we could lower it into the water to fill it. After trying to think of the fancy way of doing it I just went with doubling up the string and tying a round turn and two half hitches, an embarrassingly simple knot which has most of the advantages of anything more complex.
Domain people might have a dozen knots to get their job done. I just took a swift water rescue class; we got by with maybe five total for our situation.
Tying shorts? Maybe two or three are best suited.
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But if you're a nurse and wear scrubs all the time, then it might become worth spending time upfront perfecting it.
The ampersand method in the OP video (and the sibling slipped-lapp-knot comment) is needlessly complicated. Just follow this super simple animation instead (except pass a bight in the last step to make it quick-release).
The Lapp knot (aka. lapp bend) is my favourite of all the knots and very underrated. It's so versatile and simple, even simpler to tie than a square knot. As shown in the OP, it can be tightened and loosened and explodes when you pull the tag rather than leaving the half-knot behind. It is my default way to tie two ropes together.
Here is how to tie a bow in under 1 second in case anyone wants something that looks a bit cleaner but is less functional: https://m.youtube.com/shorts/Q5qZpQe_4EA
"Hey, that's the Ian Knot!"
I think its the same Knot. I really like Ian's Secure Knot too: https://www.fieggen.com/shoelace/secureknot.htm
I also cannot help myself but look down at people that don't use it, shoelace normies.
You can use it to have looser / tigher "zones" or specific areas and optimise the fit of well fitting shoes and make shoes that dont fit temporarily useable. Also great for hiking when you might want a slightly looser toebox for general use and then tighten everything down when switching to a steep downhill sections.
Also a game changer for snowboard boots and why I prefer traditional laces vs speed laces or boa systems. I can see why they are popular there though - most people wont be using fancier lacing techniques and have two adjustable zones (speed laces) is better than none.
One drawback is that the two ends often end up different lengths, but otherwise it's a great knot!
Knots are incredibly situational which makes learning a lot of them (through practice) difficult.
The last one was getting all my clothes clean, but they always folded them in the most haphazard ridiculous way; some garments were deliberately turned inside-out, etc. (It was kind of a racist thing, by the workers who were not of the friendly owner family at the front counter. Happens all the time to me.)
Another annoying thing that they did was that anytime a garment had a drawstring, it would end up extracted or completely pulled into the waistband. The front-counter owner lady even pointed this out, rather gleefully, and "apologized" and handed me the disassembled pair of shorts.
In the meantime, I found that a lacquered chopstick was very useful to route the drawstring back through the waistband, along with a pair of tweezers or needlenose pliers, to fish out the end from deep inside there.
Since then, I've switched to a service that is treating me with respect, and the lady is amazingly good at sorting and folding! Yay!
Or alternatively, what are the "better" alternatives to the classics everyone knows.
My favourite knot is the bowline. Non-slip loop, very strong, easy to tie, easy to undo. Can be used for tying two ropes together, ropes to things.
Other useful ones (especially for sailing)
* Clove hitch * Reef knot * Rolling hitch * Sheet bend
I think that method was originally taught to me in scouts as an emergency body lift thing, though it would not actually be ideal for that.
To tie a bowline, make a loop in the working bitter end up about 2x the desired circumference of the loop you want to make. Your line is now segmented into the bitter end, and the standing line section.
Look at the loop. You want to put the bitter end through the same side of the hole where the bitter end overlaps the line/rope on the other side of the loop (standing section). If you use your right hand to twist the loop, and do so clockwise, you will insert the bitter end from the top. If you turn it counter-clockwise, then you will insert it from the bottom.
In this orientation, if you go around behind the right side of the standing part, you will form a normal bowline. If you go around behind on the left, this will form a "cowboy" bowline. Either works, but the cowboy one allows the bitter end to hang loose, which increases the odds of it getting caught up in other lines.
Finish by inserting the bitter end into the same hole from the other direction (obviously).
If you find the knot comes undone, you are putting it through the wrong side of the hole at the start. Just insert it in the other side and this particular problem solves itself. If you are on a boat, other problems may now be selected for attack. :P
I'd add a butterfly loop to this list for those times you need to add a tie-in point to the middle of a rope for whatever reason.
Personally I'd say you need to classify the type of knots you want to learn and pick one knot from each. The classics in my opinion are
1. End loop
2. Mid loop
3. Hitch (opposite of an end loop)
4. adjustable loop
5. Bend (rope to rope)
My suggestions in order are
# End Loop
1a. Bowline (snap variant) - This is a knot that's super easy to tie, remember, and untie. There are a bunch of variants to expand it's usefulness (double, water, slip, yosemite, etc)
1b. Zeppelin Loop - this is my personal favorite, it's a little tricky to tie but I've never seen it slip and it unties easily after it's all done.
# Mid Loop
2a. Alpine Butterfly - learn the butterfly method and this is an easy to tie knot that can be easily sized. It also doesn't bind so it unties easily and can be loaded in any direction (on of the only midline knots this is true for)
2b. Bowline on a Bight - Super satisfying knot to tie, a little wonky to learn just because of the structure but easy to tie once you get it.
# Hitch
3a. Tensionless Hitch - (this is probably the most overlooked 'knot' just look at a diagram you can learn it and never forget it after seeing the diagram once. It's the strongest knot there is if you have the rope for it. (I wouldn't really count this at one of your 5 but it's good to keep in mind)
3b. Buntline Hitch - dead simple and you can usually untie it after a heavy load 3c. Siberian Hitch - This is effectively a slipped noose but I use it all the time, it's my personal go to.
3c. Poachers knot - If you have a carabiner or know you're never going to need to untie this knot it's hard to beat
# Adjustable Loop / Friction Hitch
4a. Adjustable Grip Hitch - Easy to learn and holds better than the Midshipman's
4b. Midshipman - it's a little more complicated but this was Ashley's favorite because it can be tied under tension
# Bend
(Bends and fixed loops usually have the same structure so you might not need this one)
5a. Zeppelin Bend - seriously just learn this one, sixty nine method is the easiest for me. Knot is easy to tie, doesn't slip, and is easy to untie.
5b. Sheet Bend - this knot... is fine but you already know it if you learned the bowline above as it's the same structure
Bonus Section
1. Trucker/Truckee - probably one of the most useful knots around, learn the method that uses a slip knot for the mid loop and it'll make even easier
2. Canadian Jam Knot - Useful for bundling things, it's a knot I find myself using a lot
3. Voodoo Hitch - You can use it in place of a ratchet strap if you have a couple of carabiners
4. Icicle Hitch - Ever wanted to tie a rope to a butter metal pole and keep it from slipping? This is the knot, it cinches and grips things with so much friction you can tie a rope to about anything vaguely cylindrical
https://www.reddit.com/r/knots/comments/12vsuk1/how_to_tie_a...
https://www.animatedknots.com/farrimond-friction-hitch-knot
(overhand and double 8 are probably used more often by me, but not that versatile)
Edit: Same knot, with an explanation before showing what I knew as the classic trucker hitch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKM5gaYJWN0
Stopper knots prevent rope from passing through a hole & keep the end from unraveling. The Overhand knot is the simplest. The Double Overhand is a very simple addition to an overhand. The Figure-8 is slightly bigger, and useful to know.
Single loop knots create a single fixed loop in a line. The Butterfly (aka Alpine Butterfly) can be tied mid-line (without access to the end) or with the end of a rope, and is two overhand knots interlocked in a particular manner.
A noose is any loop that tightens when a load is applied. I like the Scaffold Knot, it's a double overhand around the standing part of the rope. Its biggest disadvantage is it can be difficult to undo. Any fixed loop can also be made into a noose by tying it around the standing part, forming a "Running <name of fixed loop>".
Bends join the ends of two ropes. The Fisherman's knot (also has lots of other names) is two overhand knots, one with each rope, tied around the standing part of the other rope. It's strong, secure, but difficult to untie. The Double Fisherman's uses double overhands. The Butterfly Bend is a Butterfly tied as a bend, it's strong, secure, and much easier to untie. The Butterfly Bend is tied the same way the Butterfly Loop is when tying with the end.
Hitches tie a rope to a rigid object. They can attach a rope to something where you have access to an end of the object like a bollard, or where you don't like tying into a fixed ring. They can be for lengthwise pulls, or for right-angle pulls. Adjustable loops are hitches tied around the standing part of the rope. For right-angle pull, the scaffold knot works well (again). It can be tied without access to the end of an object, so it works for rings and bollards. For lengthwise pull, the rolling hitch is nice, and the Rolling Hitch Ziptie is a use of the rolling hitch which works as an adjustable loop and a binding knot.
Binding knots hold only when tied around an object. The Double-Slipped Reef Knot is a common shoelace knot. The Turquoise Turtle or "Ian's Secure Shoelace Knot" are different methods of tying a structurally identical resulting knot that's a bit more secure. Worth knowing at least one of these three, or you'll only wear slip-ons or Velcro closure shoes. Also the Rolling Hitch Ziptie is worth knowing.
There are also some systems of knots called "trucker's hitch"es, which are all ways to use loop knots as improvised pulleys with a final hitch to secure a load in place. IMO they're not independent knots. Handy to know at least one sort though in case you don't have ratchet straps or snatch blocks. The Versatackle is nice, self-locking, and tied with just Alpine Butterflies and any hitch.
So, a list of 5:
1: Overhand knot. 2: Butterfly loop (mid-line). 3: Butterfly loop (with the end). 3 (used differently): Running Butterfly. 3 (used differently): Butterfly bend. 4: Scaffold knot. 5: Rolling Hitch. 5 (used differently): Rolling Hitch Ziptie. 5 (used differently): two opposed Rolling Hitches for tying your shoelaces together works, with difficulty. 2+5: Versatackle trucker's hitch formed from two Butterfly loops and a Rolling Hitch.
All except the Rolling Hitch are based on the Overhand knot. If you're willing to add a sixth knot, pick something better to tie your shoes.
You only really need one bend. I suggest the zeppelin bend, but they're all pretty similar. Hitches can benefit from a bit more variety, but a round-turn with two half-hitches will serve you well in most situations, along with its more secure variant, the anchor hitch. There's a trade-off between how secure a knot is and how easy it is to untie, which is why the less-secure variant is useful.
The best loop is the angler's loop, which will even hold in bungee cord. The alpine butterfly is also good to know because you can tie it "in the bight" (without access to either end of the rope), which is very handy.
Bindings are (I think) the most commonly-used family of knots for most people. Lashing a load into a truck so it won't move, tying a bag shut, and even tying shoes are all situations for bindings. For large loads, I'd suggest a trucker's hitch, which is good for (e.g.) tightly strapping a load into a truck bed, hence the name. For smaller situations, like cinching a bag shut, try the jam hitch—an underappreciated favourite of mine. It works like a zip tie, tightening around an object and not loosening. (Make sure the knot itself is tied tightly before you zip it. After you zip it, you can tie the ends together for extra security.)
Zeppelin bend: https://www.animatedknots.com/zeppelin-bend-knot
Anchor hitch: https://www.animatedknots.com/anchor-hitch-knot; round turn & two half-hitches: https://www.animatedknots.com/round-turn-two-half-hitches-kn...
Angler's loop (sometimes called "perfection loop"): https://www.animatedknots.com/perfection-loop-knot; alpine butterfly: https://www.animatedknots.com/alpine-butterfly-loop-knot.
Trucker's hitch (feat. alpine butterfly): https://www.youtube.com/shorts/o3BcaoPXK5Q; jam hitch (aka "rolling hitch zip tie" or "reverse midshipman's hitch"): https://www.reddit.com/r/knots/comments/12vsuk1/how_to_tie_a.... (Though these have "hitch" in the name, I'd argue they're better described as bindings, because they preserve tension.)
If nothing else, learn the round turn & two half hitches, the alpine butterfly, and the trucker's hitch. Some combination of these will serve you well in most situations.
One final tip, while I'm talking about knots. You may be tying your shoelaces wrong: https://www.fieggen.com/shoelace/grannyknot.htm.
So first you wrap one lace around the other and pull it tight, well before you pull it tight wrap it around one more time. This helps hold the laces tight for the next step where you fold the laces and wrap them around each other. Do that a second time as well before you pull it fully tight.
Without video or illustration I suspect this is not easy to follow. Oh well.
I've learned it a month ago and couldn't be happier.
Do they end up breaking every couple years?
Real knot untying hack - hit it with a hammer, or otherwise smash it. It will undo itself enough that you can then do whatever is most obvious, like using a thin piece of metal.
The flag rope for our 12 meter flagpole broke. I seriously debated getting a drone to replace it in situ. Then I realized hauling just a few hundred grams of rope needs a fairly serious drone.
I've tried alternatives, but in the end keeping it simple is what I prefer.
I found that if I make it tight enough so that things don't loosen easily when there's tension, then it's too tight to adjust easily. Maybe there's a happy medium to be had, but through numerous tries, I never achieved it.
The advantage of the continuous loop is that it can’t end up inside the waistband during laundry.
Here's an adjustable knot for if you've got a continuous drawstring like on a hat or sweatpants
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He published an addendum https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbTYCHPLWLI
Recently, due to Scouts, learned more and I can't believe how often I use them.
"Dryer's busted! My DIY laundry line sags! What to do?!"
"If only I could make a loop that won't move in the middle of this rope!"
The way that loading it crosswise causes it to shift into a double half hitch, turning from a "hold fast" knot to a slipknot... That's funky behavior and should disqualify it from being among the first few knots people learn. If you're using it for its advertised purpose, it's downright dangerous, and the square/granny confusion is just needless pain to discourage a newbie.
If you wanna tie two ropes together and have a less finicky experience, use a fisherman's knot. Which is basically a pair of overhands, each around the other rope.
It's a much more reliable knot for trying two ropes together, lacks the annoying gotchas of the square knot, and for a long list of reasons I won't bore you with here it is a better foundation for learning other knots. (It's no good for drawstrings though, too reliable, no quick release).
Reefing a sail or tying a parcel, a reef knot the role will fulfill. But joining two ends one should only use bends, And a reef knot's a sure way to kill.
⸻Stuart Grainger, ex-Master Mariner, 1985. Referenced from "The Complete Book of Knots" by Geoffrey Budworth.
But since modern sailboats don't require knots for reefing, and modern parcels don't require tying, I think the use cases for a square knot are now pretty narrow.
Some times I use them to finish off some lashing because they can be easily tied while keeping tension, but that's about it. It's just not qualified for to be the first knot we teach a tenderfoot.
Same thing with solving a rubics cube. I spent 3 months getting pretty good at it, like I could consistently solve them in under 15 secs. That was two years ago. I picked up a cube two months ago and tried to solve it and couldn’t remember even the first step. I had an app I used to set up, solve and track the cube and I logged 10,000+ solves and I can’t remember how to do it less than 2 years later. Sigh.