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IIRC they used to catch a lot of child groomers by scanning messages.

Would be interested in seeing your sources for this. I've yet to see evidence that this has the significant upsides that would, definitely not justify, but at least explain, the push towards limiting fundamental freedoms.

There's a reason "who will think of the children" is ridiculed: there's no evidence that this is the intent or that there are outcomes. Everything I've read to date shows that surveillance is not effective in curbing CSAM, that the people (and especially organised crime) that engage into such activity are not using plain text and twitter to talk to each other, that those solutions that are known to have outcomes are not being invested in or enforced, etc.

No they didn't

If any of this was about protecting children, that Epstein thing wouldn't have been buried and forgotten already.

The whole Epstein sage is very closely tied to the current US administration, I haven't seen much of it being tied to anything about the EU Council. I think you might confuse the government ties Epstein had, at least the ones we knew about.

You think the European wealthy are innocent of pedophilia? What about Prince Andrew? This goes far beyond just the current US administration.

> You think the European wealthy are innocent of pedophilia?

You think children should be executed in the streets? Neither of us said any such thing, why ask that as a question even?

My only point being that Epstein himself doesn't seem related to EU Council, based on facts, while he was very close friend of the current sitting US president, and the whole thing is still being actively swept under the rug by the US Justice Department. Two governments located on two different continents...

If you don't think the EU and European governments are sweeping the same shit under the rug, I have a bridge to sell you.

Without evidence, I don't think anything at all, hence the clarity about the US administration and the clarity about the EU Council.

Ahh, to be that naive again. Those were the times. One definitely sleeps better.

If you haven't done any digging, don't make such claims. This is a network that goes way beyond the current US administration. I'm sorry you're still trusting whatever media you consume.

(I'm not gonna debate this. It's not that difficult to find some investigative research on this.)

> If you haven't done any digging

I have, that's why I am claiming things.

> I'm not gonna debate this

Same! Gonna go outside and enjoy my Monday, I suggest you do the same friend :)

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