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Research past heat waves in Europe. Did your grand parents felt the same as you?

Yeah it's true, Europe has had heat waves in the past. For instance, in 1540. Also 1779. And also 1906, 1947, 1964, 1976, 2003, 2006, 2015, 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020, 2022, 2023, 2024, and 2025.

Frequency? Do I look like a statistician to you?!

I do not know about Europe as a whole, but 1911 was pretty bad in the UK: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1911_United_Kingdom_heatwave

Popular Mechanics, March 1912 — an article titled “Remarkable Weather of 1911: The Effect of the Combustion of Coal on the Climate.”

https://www.livescience.com/63334-coal-affecting-climate-cen...

Have you read this before? Great read.

I have not read that article, but I was aware Arrhenius calculated the effects of CO2 on global temperatures earlier. AFAIK his models has held up very well, possibly because of its simplicity compared to current models (I tend to distrust complex models).

1960 to 1979 had 6 years where UK temperatures went over 30C in June

1980 to 1999 had 6 years

2000 to 2019 had 13 years

2020 to 2026 has had 6 years so far, and we're only 35% of the way through

The longest period of time from 1960 to 2000 where june temperatures went higher than 30 was two years, reaching 30 in 1975 and 36 in 1976.

2021 was the only June in the last 10 years where temperatures didn't reach that 1975 record.

Why do you choose 1975/30C as your cutoff point for "record heat" when it should be 1976/36C? Clearly 30C isn't unheard of, even in the past.

So even if it goes above 30 every single remaining year it will still be 9 vs 13 in the previous decade?

The time frames they are looking at are 2 decade intervals, not 1 decade

They’ve rendered that in a rather confusing way. 13 incidents is for _two_ decades, not one.

These are 20 year periods, not decades. How did you think there were 13 years in the previous decade? It would be 18 vs 13 if every year up to 2039 went over 30C.

Well, this month has been the absolute record temperatures so we can't say what they would think since they never experienced that

Why don't you research past heat waves? We're literally setting new heat records nearly every year. This year the heat record in Germany went from 39 degrees to 42. We're even setting night time heat records because of how bad it is. I don't understand the impulse to ignore what we're experiencing right now. What do you gain by sticking your head in the sand?

Ask your grandparents about "Die große Dürre 1947" in Germany. Near entirely dried-up rivers and reservoirs, lakes three meters below normal, roughly half a million cattle emergency-slaughtered in Bavaria, hydroelectric shutdowns forcing power rationing, and forest fires along the Bavarian–Austrian border. Sure we have an all time high now, but currently there's still too much water as one could stick their head into the soil of the Elbe and Rhine.

That used to be once in a lifetime event. Now we have temperatures like that two or three times every decade and soon it's going to be a normal summer temperature.

What kind of climate change denier are you?

Here: NASA SVS | NASA Climate Spiral 1880-Present https://svs.gsfc.nasa.gov/5190/

Every year people complain about the cold, heat and allergies. Even if they live 200 years, it would always be the same.

People get use to it, it goes away, cycle repeats. Nobody remembers exactly unless they had a near death experience.

It's a good question, in terms of progression of climate change

Why does it matter how humans _felt_?

> Did your grand parents felt the same as you?

They remember a lot more snow and talk about how summers were not that hot. And like, they are otherwise into half of right wing conspiracy theories.

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