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Could someone explain the process of how those emails were handed over? Is Best Buy obligated to do so, or was it a private investigation of some sort?

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When you get sued, the court supervises a process called discovery to gather facts relevant to the suit. During the process, hard drives are imaged, documents are copied, etc. The opposing party's lawyers will make requests, such as: "We want to see all of the CEO's e-mails from March to June relevant to this matter." Your lawyers will sift through the e-mails to give opposing counsel what they want. Opposing counsel will then sift through the e-mails to find dirt on you.

It's by and large a cooperative process between your lawyers and the opposing party's lawyers, but its not really voluntary. If you refuse to answer a discovery request, opposing counsel can go to the judge and get a subpoena compelling you to hand the documents over. Hanging over the whole process is the threat of sanctions: for your attorneys as well as for the company. For your attorney, it is a violation of the civil rules of procedure to unreasonably refuse production requests, and it is a violation of the ethical rules to not hand over documents that are relevant and not privileged just because they might hurt your case. The former can result in sanctions, and the latter in disbarment (i.e. the professional death penalty), so while your lawyer loves you and is on your side, he will cough up the documents the other side requests. If the client refused to cooperate, the court can hold him in contempt as well.

Great post.

It sounds like the penalties are severe if you are detected making omissions during discovery - but how would that actually be detected?

There are lots of companies focused on "electronic discovery". It's a very lucrative market.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_discovery

Many of the "e-discovery" software suites out there now include digital forensics capabilities that will scan for signs of tampering.

The enforcement mechanism is mostly paranoia. The ethical codes for attorneys requires you to rat out your colleagues at the threat of getting in trouble yourself if you fail to do so. Documents are managed in review databases with time stamps and user tracking. Opposing counsel will go through your productions and might spot inconsistencies. Opposing counsel will also spend hours grilling witnesses, looking for inconsistencies and references to documents that haven't been produced. Opposing counsel also generally has a good idea of what kind of documents should exist, given that corporate transactions are generally pretty stylized.

At the most basic level, the system is built on trusting lawyers to act dutifully as officers of the court. Corporate law firms care very much about their brand for trustworthiness, because at the end of the day their business depends on that brand. Nobody wants to be like Arthur Andersen, which went from a $9 billion company to nothing because people stopped trusting their brand (for the actions of a relatively small group of partners).

Team Best Buy seems pretty unethical, and when Best Buy's lawyers manually check which CEO e-mails were relevant to the case I'm sure honest mistakes sometimes get made. It would be awfully easy for dishonest 'mistakes' to be made with one or two of the most incriminating e-mails.

Are you really saying there's no independent auditing? That the entire system relies on Best Buy's lawyers incriminating their co-workers and the employer who puts bread on their table? That seems exceptionally trusting in lawyers' professional ethics.

Does the discovery at least have to be done by an different law firm to the corporation's day-to-day legal work?

This sort of thing is almost always handled by an outside law firm, similar to how audits are handled by an outside accounting firm.

Remember also that plaintiff's counsel also thoroughly interviews witnesses under oath. Cross-checking witness accounts can highlight inconsistency in the documentary record. It also adds a second group of people who don't want to hide information under threat of punishment.

My understanding is that if the judge thinks one party is not cooperating in discovery, or is purposefully hiding evidence, he can issue a default judgement solely on that basis (regardless of all the other aspects of the case). Since the penalty for playing games in the discovery process can be so severe, it's very rare for parties to try to conceal evidence (hiding saved emails or chat logs or whatever).

> ...the court supervises a process called discovery ...

Boy, you're sure a glass-is-half-full type, 'rayiner --- my experience in litigation was that:

1) many, many litigation attorneys like to play chicken, doing their utmost to obstruct your discovery (or to demand unreasonable discovery for themselves), stopping just short of making you so mad that you go to the judge; and

2) the vast majority of litigators hate going to the judge, knowing that most judges utterly loathe discovery disputes and basically absent themselves from the discovery process unless they absolutely have to get involved. (There are exceptions; some judges announce that counsel can get them on a conference call just about any time they're not actually on the bench --- not surprisingly, those are the cases where counsel can actually be pretty reasonable ....)

I mean "supervises" in the same manner as a pre-school teacher "supervises" a class of hyperactive little boys.

Likely it was a subpoena compelling them to provide the emails. I believe in Apple v Samsung there was a matter of Samsung failing to retain some emails which were relevant. In that case, the jurors were instructed to treat the deleted emails as incriminating.

Edit: I was on my mobile and I couldn't confirm this. In fact, as the peer comment said, when it refers to the litigants the process is discovery. A subpoena is required to compel a third party to testify or provide documents. Discovery is normally just a give and take, unless one party objects and the court intercedes.

Actually, I believe in the end the court didn't give any kind of jury instruction about the deleted e-mails in Apple vs Samsung. Apple's contention was that Samsung should've anticipated that they were about to be sued and retained any relevant e-mails even before the lawsuit had been filed, and the judge sided with Apple on this until it turned out Apple hadn't bothered to retain their own e-mails from that period either despite having actual firm knowlege they were going to file a lawsuit.

Through a process called discovery.

Here you go: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discovery_(law)

When there is a lawsuit, one of the pre-trial phases is called "discovery". During this phase, both parties can compel the other party to hand over documents and information relevant to the lawsuit.

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