The US Government Is Now a Shareholder in 26 Companies
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[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rare_earths_trade_dispute
Plenty of us Obama and Biden alums are industrial policy fans, and there is a similar cohort across the aisle.
Heck, I earn less as a VC today than if I remained a SWE or PM in my niche but with more stress and worse working hours.
Edit: Why the downvotes? Do y'all actually even know PE/VC and leadership salary scales?!?
That's unfortunately not been the reality through Obama, Trump and Biden policies.
Edit: others have pointed out that the government likely already had investments in most of these tech firms through In-Q-Tel, which is also a potential issue, but that’s funding for small growing companies. It’s another matter entirely when government owns a percentage of our mature technology infrastructure.
Do I think we have that kind of restraint? No. It’s probably going to end up this way. Our future is all the bad parts of China without any of the good.
There are many issues to have with this too, of course—the devil is in the details. If we implemented it today this process would look like paying five guys billions of dollars to pay northrup grumman slightly less to subcontract producing basic products to firms overseas anyway
It's quite amazing that we were the target of 9/11 and failed to learn a damn thing that might help us avoid another.
It is called the Alaska Permanent Fund and a constitutionally established sovereign wealth fund invested in a diversified portfolio and managed by a state-owned corporation, the Alaska Permanent Fund Corporation.
Earnings help fund the state government and annual dividend checks are distributed to residents.
I'm sorry if your interest wasn't piqued or you were already aware of the fund.
- Commerce dept: Intel, IBM quantum, GlobalFoundries, D-Wave, Rigetti, xLight
- Dept of "war": MP Materials for rare earths, L3Harris rocket motors for munitions
- Energy dept: Lithium Americas / Thacker Pass, Westinghouse nuclear
- White House: U.S. Steel golden share
This doesn't preclude the creation of a generalized SWF, but there is a difference between an SWF, SDF, and everything in-between.
This is the same approach Japan, South Korea, China, and India use as well.
OpenAI ‘in early talks to give 5% stake to US government’
From a purely financial perspective, federal taxation on companies would be similar to owning shares (except ≈preferential since the government usually gets paid first).
From a voting and control perspective, we usually don't want the government getting involved (the government should be using industry regulations, and avoiding trying to pick winners).
In New Zealand our government screws up everything it has an ownership stake in (notably electricity and rail).
Here’s the podcast if you’re interested. I know the host shares more of your view so it was an interesting discussion though I don’t remember the details. https://www.econtalk.org/mariana-mazzucato-on-the-value-of-e...
AI summary:
Mazzucato argues that: * Governments do far more than correct market failures—they actively create markets. * Public investment has been essential to many major technological breakthroughs. * Governments should be willing to invest in high-risk innovation, much like venture capitalists. * When taxpayers finance risky innovation, the public should sometimes receive a share of the upside rather than only bearing the downside.
Most thought gets hyperfocused on money, however value is mostly invisible - economic utility and externalities.
Can a government get dollars from progress? No: for example the returns from science or open source are hard to value. The idea of a government owning shares to get a return on investment is extremely silly.
Secondly governments often make huge mistakes if trying to decide on purposeful investments.
Much of the world's wealth has come about despite government choices, and bureaucratic red tape usually hinders true wealth creation.
It is a very hard topic to think about.
And discussion seems to get derailed by focusing on dollars and how to cut the pie up.
We are all deeply irrational.
I guess preferential treatment could be the only issue?
I'm not sure it's the only issue, but for now focusing only on this issue: it's a really big issue. The R's often complained about Dems choosing winners and losers (IIRC related to the solar industry). This is now way beyond what the Dems were trying to do by advancing solar. The gov can use it's buying power to sway things towards Intel, for example, over AMD. Huge potential for conflict of interest that will distort the markets.
The other tangential issue is that in some cases these can look like bribes. For example, OpenAI "offering" 5% of their stock to the gov.
Well, Intel is actually important for national defense because of their foundries...
Whereas AMD sold their foundries long ago so now they're just one of many fabless chip designers.
Pretty sure that's the goal: the government wants a competent cutting edge chip maker on US soil.
Tax the rich.
Of course once the government does have a large stake in the largest monopoly-like companies, it's immensely motivated to keep them large. Hmm. This idea isn't good.
US government has always had a policy of sabotaging international competition
What does this mean?
[0] https://itep.org/88-profitable-corporations-paid-zero-income...
For all the current US administration has complained about the opposition being “socialist,” they’ve certainly gone all-in on the state partially owning private companies.
Almost like cries of “socialism” have become a dog whistle instead of what the term actually means.
"A fascist corporation can be defined as a government-directed confederation of employers and employees unions, with the aim of overseeing production in a comprehensive manner. Theoretically, each corporation within this structure assumes the responsibility of advocating for the interests of its respective profession, particularly through the negotiation of labor agreements and similar measures."
A lot of dystopian literature has been written with the premise that governments would wither away and end up replaced by mega-corporations that become the de facto law. I suppose the theory where the government just buys all the corporations instead because they control the money supply was generally overlooked by those authors. The end result probably isn't much different, but the path to get there has some differences, I suppose. It also seems reasonable to say that the authors, not being from the finance world (at least that I know of) may not have realized the depths to which financial engineering would sink and the willingness of the governments to participate in it.
Back in the 1980s when cyberpunk was really thriving the government at least made mouth noises about fighting the worst excesses of financial engineering. Whether history bears that out as something they were actually doing, the reader is welcome to come to their own conclusions about. But the government at least tried to look like a countervailing force to financial engineering.
The story is that states have some very large number of little bits of money with and without purpose all parked with investment companies. The total sum was argued to be so large the government owns a large share of the economy.
sovereign funds, federal ownership making companies "too big to fail" is 100% socialism
but republicans are devious enough to know not to call it that
so do we get to idiotically slur the current administration and call them communists?
*sigh*
If you want human attention, expend human labour.
First, addressing my first point about how this is "the modern equivalent of an ad hominem attack". The commenter is complaining as if Claude basically came up with this entire thing itself. Very very seldom is that actually how things get created, at least in my experience. Yes there's the potential for someone to say something stupid like "Claude, generate me a blog post about something", and Claude can do it. But that's such a weird way to relate to any content that was in-part authored by AI. That just isn't how virtually everyone I know is using the tools, so it's a disingenuous take.
Second, I find your dismissal of the aptness of using the phrase "ad hominem" attack reductive here because yes, AI is not a human, but two points here:
1) I'm going to give the true OP the benefit of the doubt, that they used AI as a tool for helping develop and hone their thoughts, and AI wasn't just set off in a black box
2) AI can produce novel ideas, and can produce the output of thought, even if it isn't producing it the same ways our brains think
Thanks dad.
Shall I dig out my Auferstanden aus Ruinen vinyl?
If it were in return for a tax break then they might even do it voluntarily. The key would be to get in while valuation is low.
Think of it like the original Bitcoin wallet, its value is $0 because none of those will ever be sold.
If dividends are involved it could matter but the government basically gets 20% of dividends already and extra 4% doesn't make a huge difference.
Returning to blocking stock buybacks as price manipulation and forcing businesses to give out dividends again would actually impact revenue in a meaningful way in contrast.
So this ends up being equivalent to taxes on both dividends and buybacks (and other economic participation like buyouts from mergers), except that no investor in particular has to pay the tax.
And you think this is that? Oh dear.
> the people who have been running American countries have been consistently making decisions that are against the national interest
Freudian slip?
I don't care how it starts. I'm tried of the kind of people who ideologically oppose government control.
> Freudian slip?
Autocorrect typo for companies, obviously.
Agreed to the latter; ooof to the former. I absolutely think government can, and should, do more for the people. But the what of it matters.
> Autocorrect typo for companies, obviously.
Obviously. I just thought it was funny.