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> Where do you draw the line

You can own a house and support a family of 5 on a single income and retire at 65.

Where I live that is only really possible for SWE, lawyers, doctors, and execs.

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You're welcome to move to one of the many, many places in the US where it's still possible.

That's actually a really great suggestion. It would be great if you could throw together a list of these many, many places and post it here, so we could think about what sort of moves we could make. Thanks in advance!

Large portions of the rust belt, midwest, and deep south for starters.

There are many, many lists of the most affordable cities in the US. I see Buffalo, Dayton, and Wichita on them regularly as specific examples.

Sweet thanks, I guess I never really thought about moving to the Rust Belt and then taking part in its thriving economy to get the sort of job that would allow me to support a family of 5 and own a house on a single income. I would guess at this point you'd probably try and say something about remote work and arbitraging high west coast tech salaries against low cost-of-living, but really that just gets us back to the other poster's point about this stuff not being obtainable anymore. Certainly, to take just a quick example, not in one of the cities you listed, Wichita, with a median individual income (as specified by the other poster) of between $49k and $35k for men and women, and a median house sale price of $243k (up 4.3% over the last year!), giving you an affordability ratio of roughly 5-7x. Chapman university labels that sort of ratio as "Severly Unaffordable".

Whoops! Guess it isn't quite as easy as your smug comment made it out to be...

https://datausa.io/profile/geo/wichita-ks -> link for median single income data in Wichita

https://www.redfin.com/city/19878/KS/Wichita/housing-market -> link for median house sale price

https://www.chapman.edu/communication/_files/Demographia-Int... -> Link to Chapman study, income affordability ratio labeling is on page 6 of the study.

Buy a house below the median cost if you want to live that specific lifestyle.

And don't rely on trashy websites for your snarky, invalid arguments: https://www.bls.gov/regions/mountain-plains/summary/blssumma...

I live in Canada, so no Im not.

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