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Not gonna happen. Ever.

If a web requires me to do this to access it, I simply refuse.

The last time I needed some web was my electricity company - sent them a ticket with a complaint. They replied with some bs like "your browser is simply not supported" so I kept sending them the same ticket over and over again until I got a real response and it seems they decided to change the system.

To use my favorite quote: That's all it takes really, pressure, and time... :)

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Companies do and will simply label customers who repeatedly "protest" in such a manner as "vexatious" and use that as a justification to deny service. Utilities will probably be last due to regulations around providing utilities but other important companies will do it.

Then I save some money and give them to a different company :)

Yeah I’ve already warned my discord friends that the moment I have to show my ID I’m out of there without a goodbye. It sucks, but I just can’t compromise further. Personal ID’s are an absolute red line.

Yeah, for some reason I ran into that issue, too. I'm not giving my governmental ID to some random corporation. If that means I can't use their services, then so be it.

Someone always has to be the first to say "no thanks" to their bs.

Yeah I basically told my discord friends that I’m not going to be held hostage with the threat of losing contact with them, so if they want to communicate with me they can hit me up by other means which I shared.

How many people on Discord would really give ID? It's not Facebook; all their names are pseudonyms, and they're talking privately.

There is a significant subset of the population that has a lot of their social life on discord. They’re not going to let something as simple as ID verification cut them off from their friends. You and I know how important it is to protect PII, but we are probably older and remember a time when more importance was placed on protecting your identity.

Ahem, plenty of Discord alternatives out there ;) Nothing wrong with making a backup or bridge!

I'll cross that bridge when I get there. Discord is simply not that important.

If a web requires me to do this to access it, I simply refuse.

A friend of mine recently tried to get a payment from an insurance policy. But the New York Life web site wouldn't work right.

She ended up talking to someone on the phone eventually and they told her it's her fault, because Safari isn't supported. Only Chrome and Edge.

Her choice was to install Chrome, or walk away from $35,000.

You may "just refuse," but she installed the browser and got her money.

Why can't normal people send companies to collections for refusing to pay debts?

They can. But you will lose a substantial percentage.

Savvy folks have their paperwork in order, and simply send the Sheriff to take their stuff if they won’t pay.

Often no % required.

Or you resort to legally binding snail mail.

Do you really believe that you can discharge a debt of $35,000 simply by saying "I don't support Safari" to your creditor? I would not try that tactic with a bank, I can tell you that much.

I would still refuse and force them to send the money through snail mail.

Do you really believe that you can discharge a debt of $35,000 simply by saying "I don't support Safari" to your creditor?

Insurance companies are notorious for making it very hard for people to collect money from policies. They are well known for making things deliberately hard so people will give up.

I'd love to see you "force" a massive insurance company to do anything without a lawyer. Real life is not the same as talking big on the internet.

I don't see the problem.

The last time insurance company tried to BS their way out of the insurance payout, I actually did get the lawyer involved and I successfully got them to admit fault and pay up.

Standing up for myself and doing something IRL feels quite good. You do you.

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