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I think a large part is also how long it takes to restart a Mac. Every so often a coworker has to restart and I could probably restart my Linux (or even Windows) laptop 3 times before they're back on.

Kind of reminds me of how slow Windows computers used to boot back in the Vista and 7 era.

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I'd argue the opposite. My mac wakes up from sleep when I open the lid, and is functional in seconds with the fingerprint. Meanwhile sleep on windows is a complete dumpster truck and can result in any of "works fine", "a bunch of apps have got stuck" or "your battery drained in your backpack".

Also, my Win11 desktop is "fast" to get from POST (which takes > 2 minutes to do RAM check on every boot with 192GB RAM) to the login screen, but it's a good few minutes from log in before windows has started all the background stuff and it's actually functional.

Are they MDM'd? If so that's the MDM's fault, not the OS.

What’s crazy is that boot time was a headline feature of Snow Leopard.

Wat? The apple silicon one on my desk restarts in under 30 seconds. Markedly faster than the Windows PC next to it

I'm glad it works for you, but I have witnessed several coworkers restart their macbooks (some M1, some M2, possibly M3) and I don't think I've ever seen a reboot shorter than about two minutes.

At one instance, I rolled over to a coworker who has just rebooted theirs and had a whole 5+ minute conversation.

FWIW, I experienced the same, and worse, with corporate managed Macs.

Yeah, I have seen this with CrowdStrike-alike management software too. No idea what they put in that shit

I don't know what current Windows 11 does, but my typical Linux Mint is single-digit seconds, and my t490 is 7 years old already. Windows 10 is a bit slower but still single second territory. With more current hardware we are talking about 2 seconds plus whatever BIOS needs, see sibling comments. Maybe you have corporate AV on the Windows PC, or funny drivers?

I used to have a Thinkpad with Arch+Xfce. It was ready to go from restart to desktop in 3-4 seconds. The "catch" was that I was booting from a NVMe.

It does indeed boot to desktop in ~30 seconds (including BIOS time), however it then sits there loading services and tray apps for another 30 seconds before it becomes responsive. TBF, I could probably eliminate a lot of that if I were motivated to strip it down

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