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They just can't let it go.

Is it democracy if they keep pushing agendas even if they are voted down?

It's an open secret the european union has nothing to do with the will of the people

plenty of people desire something like this, and 'saving the children' is their genuine intent and desire. Humanity is willing to shoot itself in the foot again and again, there's no need for it to be some shadowy cabal.

Plenty of people do want more surveillance, but that's not why EU politicians are doing this. Seeking to implement surveillance across an entire continent cannot be explained by "the will of the people". Danes might want surveillance for their children, but I can't imagine them lobbying their EU representatives to also protect the children in France as well.

This is bullshit. The EU parliament is the organ that shot it down so far.

Read the article. It is the national governments pushing this shit. They try to launder if through the EU because passing those legislations locally would likely be very unpopular.

That might be true, but does not contradict the parent: if the design of the EU overall allows this to happen, it is indeed very undemocratic. How does the fact that the EP rejected it (multiple times), help the population of the EU states, that never pushed for this? Even worse: your argument implies, that the EU is enabling national politicians to push through unpopolar decisions, that likely would have no chance on a purely national stage.

The national governments are elected.

People just tend to pay a lot less attention to how their national governments act on the EU.

The solution is not to throw the EU away, it is a massive good for all countries involved, it is to fucking hold your national governments accountable, and to demand more direct participation in the EU.

Yes the EU was setup as an organization more like the IMF or the World Bank. Its mandate creeped out over decades and now we are waking up to the authoritarian monster it became.

They setup a fake parliament which is indeed elected through universal suffrage but is only here to adopt legislations proposed by the Commission. Since citizen do not elect the Comission this has nothing to do with a democracy.

Here on HN, people fully understand how bad and unfit Chat Control is. But keep in mind the EU has been passing legislations like this for decades and in every domains.

For every good one (like mandating USB-C) you get 9 bad ones.

That is one gigant If indeed.

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