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Flooding the zone. They're getting you to waste your time and energy on this, so you don't see what they are really doing.

This is not a situation where good actors have different ideas on how to best administer the country.

These are criminals. They are committing crimes. You are the victim, not their peer.

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Flooding the zone is definitely part of it, but the general goal seems to be to systematically destroy every strength the US has (had, in many cases.)

Not only did the Iran War rapidly accelerate Chinese EV and solar panel sales - we're literally running out of bombs and missiles because so many were wasted on the first round of attacks in the middle east, then the "let's blow up fishing boats with million dollar missiles" campaign, then the Iran war. It will be years if not decades before those stockpiles are replenished.

Meanwhile the navy is being run ragged, with ships almost literally falling apart because they're being kept at sea for so long. Sailors are having tours longer than any other time in history which is almost certainly causing abysmal morale and likely will cause plunging re-enlistment.

Gosh, who ever would have thought that putting a man who never successfully ran small charities, in charge of one of the world's largest and most complex organizations, would go wrong? But hey, at least whoever is left will be clean-shaven.

This is just a side effect of US companies outsourcing manufacturing to China for quick profit and as result US becoming dependent on China (and US becoming service/finance economy with ever increasing debt). This process has been going on for decades.

Iran War is not first example of sucessfull defense of a small country (with foreign military aid) against US. See the Korea, Vietnam war.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_Union_in_the_Korean_War

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_participation_in...

Korea war was basically a rwo empire war. First the industrial remnants of the japan mic vs the south, then the us vs china.

The idea was that contracts between states are worthless, but physical dependencies are actually at least temporary binding contracts. Its like with NATO, you dont trust the paper, you place units of all signers in the path of danger of the agressor and thus reduce the risk of partners chickening out.

What are they really doing that no one is seeing?

They are criminals, and they are committing crimes, but everyone knows that. They don't seem to even be trying to hide any of their crimes.

> They are criminals, and they are committing crimes, but everyone knows that.

77.2 million people in America don't seem to know, or don't seem to care.

Imagine how criminal neglectful and how intentionally harmful the alternative has to be to not be chosen. Something that just smeared surplus over all the problems and called that a solution, basically unfit for good times but completely useless in a multi crisis.

Or maybe people didn't do a deep dive of the consequences of putting a crook and his cabal of idiots in charge of the country, and just... Voted with their gut against the incumbent, because they didn't like the economic consequences of 2020-2021 COVID inflation coming home to roost?

(Weird how they all forgot who was in charge in 2020, who fired up the printing presses and who handed out money like it was on fire...)

I sincerely hope they are enjoying the economic consequences of this year's Iranian adventures. They deserve to savor every penny of their >$150 tank fill-up.

People chose a tribalist warchieftain because realities at the downlow where already unsustainable after50 years of attrition warfare and the solution by the predecessors was to declare the problems non existant. Even worse they openly displayed the incompetence by declaring all problems as social ones.

Right, he never declares problems non-existent or acknowledges that he is an utter idiot who creates self-inflicted crises left and right.

The economy is, after all, doing great and inflation has been solved, and all the bad parts are Obama/Biden's fault, blame them if the price of gas and milk and healthcare went up this year, and the debt he is saddling us with is no big deal.

They see and like it. It is what it is.

I've been binging Sarah Longwell's (of The Bulwark) Focus Group episodes. She shares quotes from participants. Typical average low information, low engagement voters.

So depressing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wA_iob2pnFk&list=PLJNKzTkCZE...

I've long grudgingly accepted premise of Democracy for Realists. Yet my expectations remained stubbornly, inappropriately too optimistic.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Folk_theory_of_democracy

https://archive.org/details/democracyforreal0000ache

The silver lining may be that "hopelessly confused voters" is better than hyperpartisanship. Longwell uses the term "heterodoxy".

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