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Meta pauses AI training program tracking employee keystrokes after internal leak

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This leak coming after all the reassurances that the intitiative passed privacy review and wouldn't be a leak risk is soo damning.

Not only have the employees lost faith in the executive's integrity, but their basic competency as well.

Does anyone, ever, have any faith in the integrity or competence of executives, these days? Because it seems to me that most people would outright prefer them to burn but are powerless against the increasing abuses and betrayals of employees.

20% of the people will always just agree with the guy with the microphone.

seems to me that 20% of people agreeing, and the remaining 80% staying silent (or 79% with 1% vocal), leads to the abuse cycle continuing.

The silent majority creates a false feeling of large consensus and inability to know the reality.

In the history of humanity management has never been competent at scale. Entropy gives rise to signal attenuation which gives rise to generational churn which collapses empires and businesses

All these people had was ZIRP and preferential taxation, and the even more ignorant masses imaginations to manipulate

The ability has never been there because no real goal is there to build around; endless forever existence of Facebook and Meta? So like with Christianity, 2000 years from now people need to keep preaching to Saint Zuck's mind palace?

That's not a real goal. Most SaaS companies existed only to serve a political meme of "create jobs".

Keyloggers collect sensitive data? Some really sharp insight coming out of FB HQ here

Stupid plan yields stupid results

Using employees instead of contractors because they produce higher-quality data sounds less clever after you leak the employees' data.

It really makes you wonder why anyone still wants to work there. The only reason I can imagine people are staying is because they're afraid they can't get work anywhere else.

It’s a terrible job market and they pay notoriously well.

No, the right framing is they are paid what they deserve.

The premium they get paid is for being treating like shit.

Anyone who has any sympathy for them is an absolute idiot.

Why aren't they deserving of sympathy? Crazy take and a massive lack of empathy.

Facebook is widely thought to cause significant societal damage; anyone who thinks so, would probably consider employees of Meta to be the ones lacking empathy.

So Facebook products are definitely not good for humans to use, sort of like cane sugar is not good for humans to use, but I wonder if you also think this about, I dunno, banks? They do vastly more predatory stuff with much bigger impacts. Nobody’s Facebook usage is affecting how much housing costs, for example. But for some reason there seems to be more outrage at social media companies. Odd!

If they do it, then we can do it too.

So lets bomb some sucker nation or assassinate folks we summarily don't like, without due process. F'k it, if they do it, then we can also do it.

How does that make anything better? It results in a degradation of societal values where morals and positive norms are assigned to the pages of history.

There was a time when positive examples, folks standing up and resisting was seen as a something good. Nowadays everyone just does it because the others are even worse. So who should start making the world a better place? The others.

I’m not sure what this style of rhetoric is called but Matt Bors popularized it in his comic “Mister Gotcha”.

And we can be against banks being predatory and Meta. Coincidentally on a thread about Meta the topic is more about them than banks.

I believe Meta and most social medias cause significant societal damage. I also think that humans as a baseline are deserving of sympathy. Lets take the straw man Meta employee who causes damage and lacks empathy. Personally I'd think it's sad that that employee doesn't experience the emotion of empathy. I wonder how that impacts their personal life, why don't they experience that empathy?

I don't think it's a good idea to use someone else's perceived lack of empathy as an excuse to not be sympathetic.

Because they know what they are signing up for? I’ve only interviewed at Meta for practice even though I could earn ~250k a year more working there.

The issue I have is you are strawmanning every Meta employee into an amorphous form that knowingly works at Meta only for the money that trades away their rights to a safe work environment without any humanity to it. Thats not true, every individual there is unique with their own situation. Trying to lump thousands of people like that is really reductive.

This is a silly argument. They’re smart / diligent enough to spend months studying to pass their interviews, but not smart enough to spend 5 minutes researching Glassdoor / Blind?

This is true at all of big tech. Management class is assholes. It’s been like this for too long.

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Petition against Meta's employee training data collection for ML models

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48623721

"The incident was classified as a SEV 2 on a scale of 0 to 5, with 0 being the most severe."

Only 2?

Yeah it only affects a few plebs.

Hmm, also saying the scale is 0 to 5 is... something. In my experience, which was a while ago, no one cares about SEV 3, and I only ever saw SEV 4 used as a placeholder or TODO list. Never came across a SEV 5 in the world. It's really "SEV 2 on a scale of 0 to 3".

i still laugh thinking that once, during my life, working for facebook was coveted and respected.

Good.

Hope this initiative fails spectacularly.

Does Mark Zuckerberg have his keystrokes tracked ?

No, he is excluded. So is Alexandr.

The tried and trusted “Move fast and break things”…

Meta sounds incredibly dystopian. Like a Black Mirror episode in real life!

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