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Scalping is much easier to solve, people just wouldn't like it: Lock the device to the purchasing Steam account for a year.

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It's just a PC, you shouldn't be able to "lock" it. Either you own the hardware or you don't.

It's a PC everyone expects to play games from a proprietary platform with an account system. They absolutely could lock how it’s used similar to how cell phones are locked with carriers today. And it would eliminate scalping.

But as I said, you don't like it. ;) Scalping is freedom, if you want to remove scalping, you have to remove some freedom.

>> But as I said, you don't like it

"Truth in advertising" in your OP :)

I personally wouldn't call it a loss of freedom. You could put another OS on it, without limitations. You just wouldn't be able to log into steam unless it's the correct account, just like steam refuses logins from hardware banned devices and banned accounts.

Presumably Valve could record all the serial numbers at the factory and simply block steam logins from accounts don't own a steam machine for the first year or so. The hardware wouldn't be locked, it'd just be steam that refuses to allow logins from the wrong account, steam already sends over your hardware id during the login process so they definitely could use it.

And yes, it's not hard to spoof your hardware id, but who is going to buy a machine at scalper prices only to then need to run sketchy software to even be able to use it. It'd completely kill the scalping market and not affect anyone buying one to use.

Exactly. If you're selling stolen or pirate product at a cut rate, people will tolerate goofiness for the better deal, but if you're scalping and people are paying above-market, they're not going to take the risk on sketchy purchases that may get their Steam account banned or something. And the scalper isn't going to take the risk buying a ton of product they can't unload, so even Valve stating they will enforce this would have a measurable effect.

Imagine buying the SM for a teenager in your family that doesn't have a Steam Account yet.

First: Imagine a situation that won’t happen. A teenager without a steam account?

Second: They could easily allow any account to log in as long as the account that bought it is an actively logged in profile.

If you think that 'teenager' is too old (which I am skeptical about, considering the current popularity of Roblox), replace by 'kid'.

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More complications, more points of failure.

Are hardware IDs reliable at all - I've seen so many companies using HWIDs in their anti-cheats over the years and it has never worked; so I wonder if this would easily be worked around.

So presumably if you make an account which didn't buy a Steam Machine unable to log in on one, you kill the scalping market. It doesn't have to be perfect to make it unpalatable for scalping. Is a scalper going to take the risk on buying a ton of hardware which they can't offload at a profit without also getting users to hack the thing to get it to work and risk a Steam ban?

it occurs to me that you dont need to even actually do it. just say you will. say you have an ironclad way to lock it down that is baked into the hardware. If the scalpers think they cant actually sell them they wont try to buy them. MOST people will just login with the account that bought it those who dont are probably benign and can be ignored.

And honestly you probably dont want to tempt non-scalpers into being one time scalpers either.

at least for the first round till people figure it out it would totally solve it. people who actually want one get one at msrp.

the downside is you maybe dont get as many early or up front reservations from people who arent sure. but like your whole problem is more demand than supply so thats not actually an issue. and the people who can buy them for msrp will be really glad you did the thing. so you probably end out ahead on consumer side.

It wouldn't be hard, but who would pay scalper prices for something that they then have to run dodgy software on that may or may not jeopardize their entire steam account?

This is a different threat model than anti-cheat. Here you just want it to be annoying enough to stop scalping.

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