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Without knowing the "full" details of this crash, it is outrageous that Tesla calls it "Full Self-Driving (Supervised)" on their website. This is like naming a product "Healthy Dog Food (Rat poison)". If it requires supervision, it is not "full". Period.

I thought previous lawsuits would've forced Tesla to call it "Advanced Driver Assist" or something.

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My SO just complained about the same when she found out the jug labled weed killer she bought in fact affects all plants and grass, not just weeds.

"Why isn't it called plant killer rather than weed killer", she griped. Why indeed.

"I thought previous lawsuits would've forced Tesla to call it "Advanced Driver Assist" or something"

Securities fraud

Problem: need evidence of intent, e.g., Musk knew software would fail

Example

LaMontagne v. Tesla

Claims

https://dn721902.ca.archive.org/0/items/gov.uscourts.cand.40...

Order

https://dn721902.ca.archive.org/0/items/gov.uscourts.cand.40...

Appeal

https://dn721902.ca.archive.org/0/items/gov.uscourts.cand.40...

False advertising

In progress, currently Tesla is appealing class certification

Example

In Re Tesla Advanced Driver Assistance Systems Litigation

Claims

https://dn721905.ca.archive.org/0/items/gov.uscourts.cand.40...

Tesla arguments

https://ia800708.us.archive.org/3/items/gov.uscourts.ca9.f97...

> "Full Self-Driving (Supervised)"

Water (Dry)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dry_water

Of course dry-water is actual water. Full self-driving isn't.

I agree with the sentiment and don't like Elon at all. But I think there is a case to say the Full refers to features, so not only lane change / parking, but actual driving fully. If it said Perfect FSD or even High Quality FSD, that's definitely worse, but we have to acknowledge FSD can fully drive in many cases, not enough for me to be comfortable enough maybe, but comparing to rat poison seems like a stretch.

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