Migrate from OpenClaw

I wasn't trying to go point to point - my point was that its enjoyable to play with. As is Hermes!

It's wonderful, I like it a lot, thank you, need to check on that.

Sounds like an interesting project but the copywriting is not clear how the 20$ and using different models interact. Does the hosted version come with credits or a model included?

And is the only way to interact telegram? I see the simple appeal but why send everything through a russian app?

That was my experience a couple months ago, and until someone shows me real evidence of something valuable they've made with it, I'm not wasting my time on this stuff again.

My Mac Mini took so long to arrive that I never messed with OpenClaw/Hermes and just went straight to Claude CoWork w/ Dispatch from my phone. One of the biggest blessings in disguise I can remember.

I read /r/openclaw for ideas on automations and 95% of the content is complaints or people having it do things that just don't need to be done.

As a side question for anyone reading this, what are the best agentic AI subreddits for people who are actually using it for work and not just personal dashboards?

I'm not so sure of that.

A friend of mine automated the lead generation and marketing function of his tiny startup using OpenClaw and set of skills he wrote for it. It would find potential leads (from a list of sources), contact them, score them and keep the owner informed via. Slack about what's going on. They actually closed a few deals following up on leads generated by their bots.

I don't think I share your experience. I've been using open claw for the past 3 months and it has some quirks but it works pretty well. The web UI is not the nicest but it gets the job done and you rarely interact with it through that interface. You use telegram, WhatsApp, discord, etc. The CLI install flow is one of the best I've seen. It really takes you through every single step to set everything up. I've helped organized the Openclaw events in Dublin where we usually have 80 to 100 people come and we've seen great success with the install flow. Especially for non-technical people. The biggest issue was with Windows and WSL but other than that no major problems. It's not perfect but it works pretty well.

People want to think of their computers as a little dollhouse of AI running around doing stuff for them.

OpenClaw is just a toy. There is no use case for it and I haven’t heard of anyone do anything remotely interesting with it. People like to vaguely say it “manages” stuff for them, whatever that means.

Anything requiring serious automation can be automated deterministically via a script, probably written by an LLM.

If you want a coding agent, get a coding agent, you do not need OpenClaw.

What an enormous waste of money and effort (Actually, there’s no effort at all, it’s just AI slop running wild)

This is a genuinely interesting project. Thanks for sharing it for what its worth, I think it fits my definition of minimalist for the most part.

Do you have anything for pi in general as well? I have currently tried out oh-my-pi and (well previously opencode) and I know about https://zot.sh for something completely in golang and also https://maki.sh/ both of which are created by another HN user.

I have found projects created by frequent HN users (in terms of how much they interact with the site) to be genuinely useful/interesting within this space as compared to complete hype. I might bet there to be a very significant overlap and thus, it might be a good filter for these AI projects.

Now aside from this one of the things that I want is I have found opencode + obra/superpowers to be a bit token intensive but its much more hands driven development and the AI doesn't completely go amok. I basically just want to replicate something like this either in pi or rust/golang alternative of it as well and then to use it completely with mobile phone as a means of interaction using say matrix protocol. (Optionally: I have glm 5.2 previous coding subscription where the rate limits is actually 5 hour rolling window rather than weekly so I would like to make it re-run/continue automatically after the 5 hour window on a project just continously to build on the side to use those tokens and just building something in an AFK fashion.)

This might be my ideal workflow, Given that Pi is extensible, I think that Opencrow/your fork of it can be useful in one of the pieces of this ideal workflow. I'd be genuinely curious as it wasn't until quite recently that I went from my minimalist model of defaults to customizations/skills.md and I am just dabbling on different levels of complexity to find out what makes the right sense of having complexity towards on.

Dendritic flake! Love to see it. Curious though, if you just import the default.nix and the default.nix imports everything, why not just import everything in modules/ and hosts/?

I have the same feeling. I'm even trying to argument to myself upgrading my phone to something newer that would support AI better but I genuinely can't. The only use case I could ever need is maybe(!) using it to fill up shopping list out loud but at this point it, using shared Google Keep it's roughly the same amount of work to just type it. In professional matter though, having an AI agent on Slack, that can query readonly dbs for us, check things, debug problems reported by our users, it's pretty great.

Did you read it? Given it's all AI slop I wouldn't be surprised if not, but the claim is basically "I had this idea first, I think they stole it from me."

Not that they stole code or even copy, just the idea from a completely open source project (at the time).

Given how many people have posted and released similar systems over the time skills came out and even before, that's a huge claim with no substance to back it.

Wow, the response from their team was really awful.

Basically: it is a free service, free is good, why are you being difficult?

People running Hermes on local models thought their data was theirs, but what if the model is not the only leakage vector??

And already removed: https://github.com/NousResearch/hermes-agent/pull/46350

tl;dr for people who just read the inaccurate quote: It was the default search provider (for free), if you configured anything else, it was not used. They removed the default.

I'm sorry but if this is not a debacle, then we're operating under very different premises:

- teknium1 retitled the original issue to "." and edited the issue text to "."

- Nous Research deleted comments from 4 users, including the issue submitter, and blocked all of them.

- No formal response has been given by teknium or the Nous Research project. It appears they are trying their darndest to brush it under the rug.

Ref: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48318706

As Musk and Dorsey have said, IP law is highly incompatible with AI.

Wasn't there some news a while ago that Anthropic and other frontier model companies used a bunch of pirated books to train their models? Are we not all benefiting from the fact that they also crawled a bunch of open code repos?

If something is open source, it's pretty easy to tell if code is pulled directly from another repo and included in a project. It's much harder to know if whatever model was building something pulled from it (through training or simply searching online).

> 2. In the future, there won't be copyright. Or open source. Or anything "owned". It can all just be copied trivially, and there's literally no stopping it.

Oh, no. Not at all. There won't be copyright for you. Disney will still have theirs, and so will anyone else rich enough.

So, Cowork?

Not being snarky, it seems to be Anthropic's value prop to "real" SMB is papering over Claude Code and agent protocol with a white collar business IDE.

Most of these "runs on a Mac Mini!" offerings seem to be "hipper than thou" variants for the LinkedInfluencer class, while Cowork is for the workplace.

There seem to be effectively zero Cowork alternatives that understand most SMB don't run on Google Workspace and Slack (or Hetzner and Telegram).

OpenClaw deserves a lot of credit for making these things more accessible and understandable to people. It really popularized the idea of async agents. But yeah, I also created a different solution that I prefer.

There are lots of relational databases today; MySQL, Postgres, Oracle etc. But IBM's System R established the pattern in 1974, and later IBM products SQL/DS and DB2. And of course their competitor, Oracle. OpenClaw might not have been the absolute exact first, but it did establish the pattern and is the head of the family tree of modern agents, stretching back, oh, about 7 months now. Of course there will be better architectures. Functional AI Agents deployable at home didn't exist a year ago.

You can build your own, but it won’t give you social currency the way it does when you just tell people “Yea I use OpenClaw”. They already know OpenClaw and what it’s about so you instantly gain rapport vs having to explain your custom agent system that they will doubt is better than OpenClaw and probably write you off as a crank.

Why not just use one of the hundreds of persistent memory projects with Codex CLI/Codex App? Plus Codex App has scheduled tasks too.

Claude at least has had memory for months, and also has scheduling now (and knows cron better than you or I, and can easily trigger itself on a schedule)

Sorry for the late reply (relatively new to HN)

After my Claude subscription ended, I tried using Fireworks and OpenRouter to be less vendor-locked and access cheaper models. MiniMax, Kimi, and Qwen were the three I tried the most since they're fairly cheap, but I still burned thorugh credits way too fast. Now I'm using Codex.

I've heard that if you can deal with slower output, local LLMs can run on gaming graphics cards well enough. So they're not great for a live coding assistant, but running some tasks/agents overnight is an option.

> Users who figure out ways to use their agents that are profitable to them make money

Does anyone know any of these users? Most of the agentic-coding boosters seem to be pretty much exclusively building personal knowledge bases and more agentic coding tools

This doesn’t get called out enough. Although actually come to think of it, I think it could be against HN guidelines to accuse things of being Astroturfed!