Uh, some would say it's easy to determine what input went into the training for kimi and qwen.. since they were caught stealing it from American labs. Some cultural cliches may never change.
Has a formal lawsuit been brought to bear? Given, Anthropic & OpenAI are being dragged through courts for copyright violation (or stealing, as you'd call it, if the companies involved were culturally Chinese) by newspapers, publishing houses etc; one'd think they'd pass on some of that medicine to Alibaba, which does have business entities registered in the US.
Does that mean that Chinese models are the "Robin Hood"s of the AI era?
Let’s just gloss over the monstrous amount of copyrighted and pirated material the American labs trained on. China bad. American good. Some cultural cliches never change.
...and "good guys" the American labs were caught stealing from authors all over the world[1].
[1]: www.npr.org/2025/09/05/g-s1-87367/anthropic-authors-settlement-pirated-chatbot-training-material
Wow. This image of Anthropic employees ripping books apart to use them to train models is a powerful one, seems like an inflection point in the history of information.