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It ain't over until Bibi says it's over. Trump is pissing his pants trying to get out of this anyway he can but Bibi won't let him. I'm sure our military was against this from day one, but the Fox news host and the Real Estate developer thought they knew better but, in the end Bibi and Israel call the shots and America obeys....

Just saying...Junk away...

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Let’s say this is the case it still does not explain what the real end game looks like. What do you think?

The real game is that the US isn’t in charge, and the guy in the White House is in over his head along with his yes men and the rest of the world appears to be making arrangements and moving on.

> ...and the rest of the world appears to be making arrangements and moving on.

This. Pax Americana is dead.

Which makes "the rest of the world appears to be making arrangements and moving on" a euphemism for the rest of the world is gearing up for war.

I don't know. It's a quagmire where America finds itself with no good options.

Bibi and Israel set in motion a trap that the USA can't easily escape. Netanyahu never believed America would back down, and America never believed it could lose.

So what now?

Do you surrender? Do you invade?

Trump and Hegseth, being the fools they are, were never equipped to deal with a situation like this. The only outcome they seriously considered was Iranian surrender. They seemed convinced that Iran would fold, and gave little thought to what happens if it doesn't.

> Bibi and Israel set in motion a trap that the USA can't easily escape.

More accurately, they've been pushing this trap for decades and US presidents have been sidestepping it for decades.

From that PoV it's always been easily avoided.

> Do you surrender? Do you invade?

Clearly the answer is you pay them off.

Meanwhile Murica distracts itself with idiotic 'wealth creation' ponzis like SPCX IPOs built on absolutely nothing of value and games for the simple people in front of the White House lawn

> until Bibi says it's over

There is enough frustration between Bibi and Trump that I could see Israel unilaterally trying to blow up this deal massively backfiring. (To the point that it might be in e.g. Hezbollah's strategic interest to goad them into it.)

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