Who knows if that will be enough to move the needle on any of this, but companies aren't just buildings and incorporation paperwork, they're also the people.
Texas is a gerrymandered purple state, not a red state. It's just that the state is the California's bogey-man, because Californians don't actually want to face the fact that we have major problems with long-term affordability and the ability to build a life for middle-class folks (perhaps less appreciated by the disproportionately high-income folks on this forum). Every single urban area in Texas is now heavily aligned with the Democratic party, and the vast majority of those areas are affordable places to build a life and build wealth.
When I was growing up in Austin, it had the second highest per-capita gay population in America after San Francisco. Houston had a lesbian mayor. In many cities Spanish is the dominant language spoken. Texas cities are not some place where minorities have to fear for their safety.
The reason not to move to Texas is that it's a suburban hellscape, and you'll be stuck in traffic for more hours a day than you'd like to admit. I left after pushing for transportation alternatives at Austin City Hall, and the result of that traffic mitigation was an express lane down the highway. Texas is, in large part, following the development pattern of Southern California.
Austin, San Antonio, and El Paso are all lovely towns, full of vibrancy, amazing culture, friendly people, reasonable weather most of the year, wonderful food, and reasonable cost of living. Politics are an issue, but again, that all hangs on a 2%-5% swing in a census year, and the entire state could end up redrawn as 50-50 split. I just want folks on the American coasts to remember that a big part of why Texas is branded as "that really bad place" is exactly because folks on the coast refuse to look in the mirror and fix the problems of affordability, wealth inequality, and clean energy that Texas has addressed. Instead, they've made Texas a bogey man that is "very bad" so that you can't point to things like rapid development of housing and renewables as actually the way to fix affordability.
There are a number of laws in Texas that make it a non-option for many of us.
At the same time, you can't ignore the facts. Texas has high property taxes, which are de facto wealth taxes, so it shouldn't surprise anyone on that Texas has significantly lower wealth inequality than California does.
Again, unless you literally inherit a house with an inherited property tax assessment in CA or vest equity in a unicorn, you're probably going to be poorer in CA than in Texas.
We have to stop pretending the landed aristocracy that exist in California somehow "doesn't count" as inequality and injustice.
Absolutely not here pretending that California is some promised land. Hell, even the state I ended up moving to has its own problems.
It’s just that the problems that Texas does have are untenable for my family.
https://spectrumlocalnews.com/tx/south-texas-el-paso/news/20...
https://www.cnbc.com/2024/07/13/10-states-worst-quality-of-l...
https://www.propublica.org/article/texas-abortion-ban-miscar...
https://www.propublica.org/article/texas-maternal-mortality-...
https://www.texastribune.org/2025/03/13/texas-water-explaine...
https://www.texastribune.org/series/texas-water-supply-droug...
Texas is draining their portion of the Ogallala, and are putting strain on Texas rivers, but California is literally a desert that moves water to its cities from hundreds of miles away... devastating communities and national parks in the process.
Data centers, solar panels, and battery storage belong in Texas, not humans, roughly speaking.
Texas is the world’s ninth largest economy if we include CA, and is projected to pass CA in population by 2050. Not really sure what your point is.
I obviously don’t love Texas. I moved away. I just think it’s a very reasonable place to live and we could do a lot to improve California by addressing our problems in way that Texas has successfully combatted them, especially housing and solar development.
Citations:
John C. Morris, Jonathan M. Fisk, Megan Heim-LaFrombois, Franziska R. Baack; A comparative study of water allocation and drought in two US states. Water Policy 1 January 2026; 28 (1): 1–18. doi: https://doi.org/10.2166/wp.2025.350
https://uswateralliance.org/scorecard-finds-that-most-states... (California is the only state requiring water utilities to plan for climate change; California ranks #1 on their scorecard, Texas #2)
"Racist clauses in property deeds can’t be enforced, but still exist. A Texas bill would make it easier to remove them."
https://www.texastribune.org/2021/03/17/texas-property-deeds...
"Racist Clauses Are Common In Local Zoning Documents. Several Texas Bills Would Make It Easier To Change That." https://www.kut.org/texas/2021-05-14/racist-clauses-are-comm...
The real reason companies are moving to Texas (the casual racism is just a bonus)? Court shopping for their arbitration clauses. If you sue/have an arbitration dispute with a Texas based company they have strategically located their headquarters in the areas with the most 'court shopped' judges that will rule for the corps.
And even worse than establishing corporate headquarters as a form of court shopping, creations of corporate courts. https://www.commondreams.org/news/texas-business-courts
And the new Texas hotness? Why yes, private courts. https://www.steptoe.com/en/news-publications/private-judges-...
Refuse to do business with Texas corporations. They are un-American and take away so many of your rights when you do business with companies based there.
Man, I just don't get this at all. Sure, there may be some democratic areas in the large cities, but they pretty much have zero say in the local state governance. Look at the recent walk outs and leaving the state only to return to have the legislation they were protesting pass with nothing they could do. There is no democratic power. Even those large cities that lean left have attempted to buck the system by passing local regulations that the state then sues them to prevent those liberal policies from taking place. As an example, Dallas passed decriminalization for marijuana, but the governor said no via law suits. This idea of Texas being purple just comes across as farcical and out of touch. I say this as someone that grew up in Dallas, lived in LA, and now lives back in Dallas. You sound just like someone from Austin.
I know plenty of women that are very unhappy with the state for not dissimilar reasons as the GP with friends that have moved out of state specifically for the government's apparent disdain for women.
A “Red State” is a state where pretty much wherever you go, it’s Republican voters. Their election results statewide are R+15 or more. Oklahoma is R+34. Texas’s statewide elections are surprisingly close. Often R+5 or less, and occasionally R+2. That’s purple. That means that half the state are allies.
The only thing that sucks about Texas is the property taxes, other than that it is a very welcoming state with great infra and comfortable standard of living.
The property taxes are what keep Texas affordable. Texas's infrastructure is going the way of Southern California, when the politics on property taxes follow what Southern California did, the affordability will disappear too.
And why do you keep talking about California? You know that two places can both suck, right? Or suck for different reasons, such that different people can find one of them appealing, but not the other one?
Great infrastructure is fucking insane thing to say. I was living there during the big freeze in 2021 The state is incredibly unprepared for any sort of major weather event and refuses to actively harden infrastructure against these sort of events. That was one of the many reasons why I chose to leave, because I don't want a repeat.
How much does that matter with the state legislature firmly in Republican control? The legislature isn't shy about making state laws to stop cities when the cities try to do Democrat things locally.
My point is that it’s easy to clutch pearls in a zero-sum economy like CA’s when you’re on top. The reason I still have a fondness for Texas is that despite some of the political change that I find frightening, it’s still a better place for most folks to go to build a life.
It’s not perfect, but when every single blue city in a blue state has an affordability crisis, I have to commend Austin for actually building the housing people need to actually own something, instead of just talking about it and doing mostly nothing like SF, LA, Seattle, Portland, NYC, and Boston have all done.
Good on Texas for not letting cities try to preserve themselves in amber. That just enriches incumbents by allowing them to engage in rent-seeking.
In comparison I'm paying around $2000/month for an apartment in Seattle but this is in an area that's right next to the light rail and well taken care of. With the light rail expanding I could easily find apartments even cheaper that still keep me within walking distance and without needing a car.
Austin is much cheaper than Seattle.
California: we know how SoCal is culturally worlds apart from Norcal, and both are worlds apart from inland California.
North Carolina: culturally Charlotte ≠ Research Triangle ≠ Greensboro-Winston Salem-High Point. There is no single NC culture.
Florida: the stereotypes exist, but I've visited different metros in Florida and they couldn't be more different. South Florida (Miami) is very Latin while the panhandle (Tallahassee, Pensacola) couldn't be less Latin -- it's mostly southern culture. Orlando, Tampa are also way different.
Florida in fact shouldn't be governable -- every part of the state has different interests. Yet it somehow works.
That said, it’s not some dystopian hellscape. Day-to-day it’s not that different than any other place.
Also the cost of living is a lot less than the big tech centers (Bay Area and Seattle). A similar house to mine with a similar commute in a similar quality school district is 4x the price in the Bay Area. I can give my family a better life here.
My point is more subtle. California is currently sacrificing the futures of entire generations. Why? To protect the property wealth the previous generations. To protect ocean views. To protect vibes.
My point is that I'm a consequentialist. I honestly don't know which state is doing more harm. Texas' is open and obvious and mean spirited. At the same time I see what California is doing to it's young people. It has become normal for people in their 40s and 50s to be forced to live with roommates because housing attainability literally doesn't exist. A major problem is now schools lacking teacher because the they can't afford to live anywhere. Cities are now building company town-style dorms for teachers. It's crazy.
I have no idea why it gets a pass from the pearl clutchers on my side of the political spectrum.
I just wish we would have the same reaction when looking in the mirror, and say: "as a egalitarian dude I will never take a job in California. Homeowners may enjoy favorable tax laws, but there are many bright people who - for one of a NUMBER of reasons - will never move there. It is destroying young people's futures."
Yes, Austin is not like rural Texas. But also, the state legislature is in Austin and loves nothing more than voting down or making illegal any progressive measure Austin tries to take. While I was there, we voted pretty overwhelmingly for a solid plan to add some trains, but the state leg then made the method of funding illegal. Same on the plastic bag ban. Same on regulating uber and lyft.
And, much more critically, same on abortion and other issues that directly impact people’s fundamental rights. Not sure if Garza is still DA, but his power to selectively enforce state law is limited, and people can still be denied lifesaving care because of regressive state laws, or prosecuted for having a suspicious miscarriage. Any kind of care for trans people is similarly handicapped.
The state politics also mean that public nature access is not great. The few nice places in the vicinity of Austin are usually overcrowded, and there are far fewer state or national parks compared to other large states.
I am glad to have moved out, and I would never move back while the state politics remain what they are.
Also “reasonable weather most of the year” is a stretch. Reasonable if you love summer, I guess, but six months of brutal heat is not fun.
I can concede that there are plenty of nice folks and pretty places in the state.
That's the line the person you're responding to is fishing for: somehow the people in the state aren't responsible for the oligarchy that runs it. Somehow folks aren't responsible for not knowing how oppressive that political situation is for everyone who isn't shaped like them.
I've left Texas; your points here agree with my understanding.
Texas is nothing special- I can get the same cedar fever out on my 40 acres in rural Colorado, but the view is better. I'd rather live out here where I have an outhouse than try and find parking in the green belt and go climb on a few chipped and shitty 40-foot rock climbs in a 104* sauna.
I did go down for 18 days of the Kerrville Folk Festival this year- that and my kiddo who lives in Dallas are the only things that can pull me that far south any more.
It's a just-fine place if you're okay with the highly authoritarian politics.
A lot of folks clearly are okay with those restrictions on their behavior. They see the state as only repressing other people; if the state is murdering black and brown folks (say, folks like Sandra Bland for instance), it's clearly because that's the natural, normal thing for a state to do. And it's somehow never going to affect them.
Maybe their sister has never wanted reproductive healthcare and needed a drive from Lubbock to San Antonio and back to get 2 pills. Of course, now that's not even possible, so maybe that kind of state repression is no longer relevant?
But I feel that kind of stuff in my day to day life, and I can't really ignore it.
It's not much better west of the Pecos, but at least there are fewer people here.
But the urban areas aren't passing the state laws. The state of Texas has laws that ban teachers from talking about LGBT topics or about LGBT folks in school. If I were to find a partner and I wanted to adopt, in Texas I have no protections against discrimination. A child placing agency can exclude me on religious grounds.
Trans folks face all that and more. They ban transgender folks from using school facilities. They ban trans folks from using public restrooms. They do that thing where they define gender as being exactly equal to biological sex. The "panic" defense is allowed in murder cases. I'm not trans personally, but they're part of my community and they're slowly having their existence criminalized.
Again: there are many parts of Texas that are great. The legal landscape is hostile to LGBT folks.
Criticize your government on social media? Here comes the gestapo.
The state is run by unpatriotic, theocratic oligarchs elected entirely by disproportionately represented hicks.
Thanks to SB12, it would be illegal for a teacher to answer when a student in my kids’ class asks why they have 2 dads. They would also be unable to join a support club like the Gay Straight Alliance which was (barely) tolerated when I grew up here in the 00s. This isn’t even mentioning performative BS like teachers having to hang the 10 commandments in schools, or the rabid anti-trans laws affecting adult treatment and identity documents. Discussion of sexual orientation and gender identity is also banned in higher education, as well.
This isn’t even covering the abortion ban or other issues. A friend’s sister almost died of an ectopic pregnancy because she couldn’t find a doctor to help terminate. She wanted the child, but nature had other plans.
I love Texas and agree with a lot of the positive points you raised. I wish I didn’t have to abandon my family and friends having lived here for over a decade as an adult and having grown up here, but I can’t raise my kids here.
I don’t want her to have less rights.
It's warm. It's dry, and there's some evidence the power system isn't up to the task. Their call.
I'd much rather companies that incorporated in Delaware than the Wild West that is Texas: I want to have peace of mind knowing the company is not trying to get away with shady stuff like Elon is with his companies.
It would be good if everyone agreed that taking away basic human rights from women is a bad thing, but I guess were way past that.
If you have a non-viable pregnancy, but there's still a heartbeat, Texas will try to force you to carry to term anyways. In the best case this causes you immense emotional suffering, in the worst case it means that doctors will often hold back lifesaving medical care until your life is in imminent danger - but waiting this long causes your chance of injury/death to rise sharply. Unfortunately Texas also doesn't want you to receive this lifesaving medical care out of state, so anyone helping you is liable to be sued for $10,000[1].
No matter what your position is regarding the intent of the law, we can hopefully all agree that the changes in maternal mortality are horrible, and that nobody should be forced to risk death just so they can see their non-viable pregnancy die before their eyes[2].
[0]: https://www.propublica.org/article/texas-maternal-mortality-...
[1]: https://www.marketwatch.com/story/texas-abortion-law-10-000-...
[2]: https://www.ms.now/health-mindset/was-torture-texas-mom-reco...
i hope the right people and companies leave and go deal with high humidity and heat waves
seattle is nice but i would pick sf 100 out of 100 times